Christianity is a religion of slaves and idiots

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"Dont complain about the government."

"Dont rebel against the government."

"Be satisfied with how much government pays you."

"Obey the government."

"Dont feel sad when government puts you in miserable situation, but keep serving the government."

"Each government was put there by God."

"Dont think about Earthly problems or what the government does to you, but think about your reward in Heaven"

These are teachings of the Bible.

When read this way, you can obviously see that only a pure idiot would willingly follow these teachings.

Christians have a moral duty to support every tyrannical government on Earth, because "each was put there by God".

In fact, any smart government would encourage Christianity, because Christianity literally commands people to obey the government while discouraging any kind of rational thinking.

So yes, now we have discovered the true purpose of Christianity.

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"The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society.

This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification.

It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

- Karl Marx

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@Best.Korea

"Dont complain about the government."
"Dont rebel against the government."
"Be satisfied with how much government pays you."
"Obey the government."
"Dont feel sad when government puts you in miserable situation, but keep serving the government."
"Each government was put there by God."
"Dont think about Earthly problems or what the government does to you, but think about your reward in Heaven"

Exodus 9

Exodus 12

Moses telling Pharoh, (a hard-hearted totalitarian tyrant) to let his people go, and Pharoh refusing, so God punishes him.

Judges 8:23

Israelites wanted to make Gidion king after his victory, but refused saying God will be your king, not man.

Also:

Proverbs 29:2

Romans 12:2

Proverbs 28:15

Isaiah 10:1

Proverbs 14:31

1 John 5:19

Romans 13:4

Proverbs 29:4-10

I would also like to point out one of the misleading scriptures you probably are referring to:

Romans 13:1 which says," Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."

This scripture says subject to governing authorities, not slaves to governing authorities.

This plays a crucial role when discussing bad government.

Also does almost everything against God enslaves you, because religion has structure, and worldly things doesn't. For example:

Porn

Alcohol

Drugs

Pride

Selfishness

Money

etc.

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@YouFound_Lxam

This scripture says subject to governing authorities, not slaves to governing authorities.

Yeah, my bad.

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@YouFound_Lxam

Moses telling Pharoh, (a hard-hearted totalitarian tyrant) to let his people go, and Pharoh refusing, so God punishes him.

And who was it that caused Pharaoh to have a hardened heart ?

lets have a look.

Exodus 7:1-3

Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. 2 You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. 3 But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt,

And it is debateable who asked pharaoh to "let my people go". Was it Moses or Arron? It seems that it was Arron and not Moses that held some considerable power considering he was given the magical staff of royalty and or the highest status among the Levites and not Moses.

" But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs."

Moses entered the tent and saw that Aaron’s staff,

And who knows what Pharaoh might have done had GOD! not interfered with any decision that pharaoh may have made had he not hardened the heart of Pharaoh?

@YouFound_Lxam

You really need to learn your bible before quoting it.

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Also does almost everything against God enslaves you, because religion has structure, and worldly things doesn't.

What does structure have to do with something being slavery? Usually, its the slavery systems that have the structure.

Even Christian God is modeled after slavery, where he rules with cruelty and punishes anyone who disobeys his strict rules, and expects his followers to praise him for his cruelty and celebrate the eternal torture of others. Same model as government uses, is used by Christian God.

For example:
Porn
Alcohol
Drugs
Pride
Selfishness
Money
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Porn enslaves you? Are you saying that someone forces you watch porn when in fact you dont want to?

This is a typical nonsense,

where you think that Christianity is not slavery when its only purpose is to make you obedient to the government.

But porn is slavery, because you lie to yourself that you dont want it while fapping aggressively to that trans porn.

Anyway, even if porn did somehow enslave you, I am afraid it doesnt make Christianity anything less than religion of slaves.

Contrary to the popular belief, blaming others of something you are guilty of does not negate your guilt in the matter.

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@Best.Korea

i think you are reading too much into the bible verses that say to respect the government. you are construing your own meaning, after all, from the verses. id construe it as... 'respect the government and government authorities'. the bible doesn't need to delineate all the ins and outs of how to respond to the government in all situations. as a virtue, stating that we should respect the government is enough for a christian who is striving to live a holy life. the bible is meant to be mostly theological, not political.

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Beginning around the ninth century, another important evolution of Christian thinking occurred. Killing unbelievers was actually declared by Popes Leo IV and John VIII to be spiritually beneficial for Christian soldiers: Their sins could be erased if they killed in defense of the Church. In the year 1095, Pope Urban II launched the First Crusade, urging European leaders to rescue the Christian holy lands from their non-Christian occupiers. He referred to the Muslims who then controlled Palestine as an "unclean nation" that had polluted Christian holy places. Killing Muslims became itself a form of penance for Christians for remission of their sins. Moral rules governing the conduct of war were abandoned, and unlimited tactics were permitted. No one was immune from attack by Christian crusaders; whole cities were slaughtered.

I guess they thought, God loves you but only if you are a rich Christian.

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"I guess they thought, God loves you but only if you are a rich Christian."

which is a fair conclusion to come to.... amiright??

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What are these quotes of and from?

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YOUR BIBLE DUMBFOUNDED QUOTE TO FLRW: "I guess they thought, God loves you but only if you are a rich Christian."

which is a fair conclusion to come to.... amiright??

It is biblically NOT a fair conclusion, because you have to be poor to be able to follow Jesus, and therefore you are to sell ALL of your possessions and then give this money to the poor and homeless to be able to follow Jesus as a TRUE Christian, UNDERSTOOD BIBLE FOOL"

Therefore, do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in this following verse: "Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21). QUESTION: Have you followed this verse inspired by Jesus in selling your possessions, and giving the money to the poor to have treasure in heaven? YES OR NO? If you answer NO, where do you get the authority to usurp Jesus' command in this respect???!

Waiting for an answer, or will you RUN AWAY AGAIN from Jesus' true words in front of the membership like you've done before MANY TIMES?!

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YOUR BIBLE STUPIDITY IS SHOWN ONCE AGAIN IN YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE HEREWITH: "...... after all, from the verses. id construe it as... 'respect the government and government authorities."

Men are the government authorities, therefore true Christians ARE NOT to obey any government authorities as the inspired word of our serial killer Jesus so states: "But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29)

N8nrgim, do you ever get tired of being Bible Stupid? Obviously not! :(

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@Best.Korea

"Dont complain about the government."

Not a Christian argument. We are told to respect the government. We are told to submit to the Government. That is not the same as not complaining about the government. Many times in the OT and the NT the people of God complain about the government and on some occasions we are told their complaints went to very throne room of heaven and God did something about it. The story of Israel in Egypt is one example.

"Dont rebel against the government."

This is not a Christian argument without qualification. Christians do rebel against governments. Take Martin Luther for instance. Romans 13 uses the term authority not as a singular but as a plural. All forms of government are included. State, church, family. The very existence of these three types of institutions provide avenues for rebelling against a bad government. Christians rebel against communist governments which forbid bibles. They rebel against governments which tell them to stop preaching the gospel. Think Acts 4 where the Apostles said to the government - who shall we obey, Man or God? A clear rebellion against the government.

"Be satisfied with how much government pays you."

Not every country is a communist country which pays people. But people have a right to leave. No one has to stay if they don't like the pay. A silly and stupid argument.

"Obey the government."

Christians should obey the government unless it asks you to sin. Then it is right to disobey. This applies to church government and to family government as well. If you don't believe in sin, then you have a problem.

"Dont feel sad when government puts you in miserable situation, but keep serving the government."

Another silly argument. Christians are told to rejoice in all situations. This doesn't mean you need to walk around with a big goofy smile on your face. It does mean that you are aware that God is bigger than you and the so-called government who is trying to bring you down. Our sadness or happiness is not found in our circumstances, but in Christ. Again, the question of whether we keep serving or not serving will depend on the circumstances and how we might respond.

"Each government was put there by God."

I think each government at any particular time is put there by God. But this doesn't mean that 1. God approves of that government. 2. That you can't seek to have that government removed. 3. That this limits you in any particular way. The essence of saying that every government exists because of God is - to say that ultimate authority comes from God.

"Dont think about Earthly problems or what the government does to you, but think about your reward in Heaven"

Another misconstrued argument. Some people are too heavenly minded to be any earthly good and similarly some people are too earthly minded to be any heavenly good. The fact is - God has put humans on this earth to look after it and to be stewards. Yet it is true to say that our identity and joy is to be found in Christ. Not in the earthly things about us. Yet saying our identity and joy is found in Christ doesn't mean that we should stop looking after the world, or that we can't find joy in it too. The question comes down to loyalties and values.

These are teachings of the Bible.

Wrong. They are interpretations of it as you read it.

When read this way, you can obviously see that only a pure idiot would willingly follow these teachings.

Well you read it that way. You draw your own conclusions about yourself. And since you read it this way - you admit you are a pure idiot.

Christians have a moral duty to support every tyrannical government on Earth, because "each was put there by God".

Wrong. God putting a government in place doesn't imply his condoning of it anymore than the governments he put out of power.

In fact, any smart government would encourage Christianity, because Christianity literally commands people to obey the government while discouraging any kind of rational thinking.

Warped ones who think like you might see it as a smart move. Most don't see it that way and so most don't encourage it. In fact many actively discourage Christianity because it inevitably ends up being rebellious to the government. Not for rebelliousness sake, but out of loyalty to God. Hence why China has the fastest growing church in the world, underground church.

So yes, now we have discovered the true purpose of Christianity.

The true purpose of Christianity is to worship God and to enjoy him for ever.

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OMG!!!! Since Lemming has decided he is to police this Religion Forum because he has nothing better to do because his intellect can't allow him to enter any threads or posts in discussion with our members, therefore for Lemming not to be a HYPOCRITE, then he is to report Miss Tradesecret like he did with me because she outright called Best.Korea an IDIOT as shown below!

"Well you read it that way. You draw your own conclusions about yourself. And since you read it this way - you admit you are a pure idiot."

I do NOT call the pseudo-christians outright "personal idiots," but I do call them "Bible Idiots" when warranted that does not "personally" affect their person, praise! Furthermore, I am telling you Stephen of this mishap by Miss Tradesecret, therefore I am still leaving the self-employed Lemming in policing this Religion Forum alone, praise Jesus' logic 101!

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It is not my view that tagging me for a post in which he complains about and insults me, is leaving me alone.

One might argue he is not insulting me, but to my view he is,

Passive aggressive, veiled taunting, indirect insulting perhaps, but I read intention in it. (Though I 'might be mistaken, I do not think I am)

I argue I have not even 'posted in this thread,

And that post #15 be an attempt to derail the topic with an impertinent grudge.

"Creating threads to call-out specific users qualifies as targeted harassment, as does obsessive attempts to derail unrelated topics with impertinent grudges. However, criticizing statements within an ongoing discussion, is fair game."

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Stephen,

OMG!!!! Since Lemming has decided he is to police this Religion Forum because he has nothing better to do....

Indeed Brother. Our resident police authority that has also taken it up on himself to be prosecutor, judge and jury without the full facts that have been freely offered and freely available to him only for him to ignore is quite astounding. I was accused of threatening him without a single piece of evidence. I was also accused by him of abusing and harassing the Reverend but he appears to have turned a blind eye to the barrage of totally uncalled for abuse I received from the Reverend in the first instance when I was a relatively new member here that simply wanted to discuss scripture in a fair, diplomatic and open minded manner. But the Reverend showed me that wasn't the way it actually worked here.

Here is just a sample of the abuse I received from our Reverend that claims to have been "chosen by god" himself:

Our kindly resident Chaplain and Pastor the Reverend Tradesecret wrote:

Stephen, you are a; Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. #161

Stephen, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls. #36

Stephen; Obviously you are an idiot. #186

Stephen; the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24

Stephen; Are you really this thick? #186

And lets no forget that he freely tell us that in his capacity as "criminal lawyer" that most atheist in his experience are "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".

There is more of the barrage of unwarranted insults but I am sure the 6 above will suffice.... for now.

Indeed they were all uncalled for insults directed to me personally and I had never once before that time berated or insulted the Reverend Tradesecret.

Oh, and just let me add this, Brother D. I never complained once.

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"Waiting for an answer, or will you RUN AWAY AGAIN from Jesus' true words in front of the membership like you've done before MANY TIMES?!"

my choice, is that i will RUN AWAY AGAIN from Jesus' true words in front of membership, like i've done before MANY TIMES.

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YOUR DIRECT QUOTE IN YOUR UNGODLY POST #18 IN SLAPPING JESUS IN THE FACE BY NOT ADDRESSING MY POST #12: "my choice, is that i will RUN AWAY AGAIN from Jesus' true words in front of membership, like i've done before MANY TIMES."

Yes, it is YOUR CHOICE in not being a Christian anymore by not following Jesus' true words! Therefore, why should the pseudo-christians of this esteemed Religion Forum even talk to you anymore when you admitted such an ungodly statement, and that you obviously did not sell your possessions and take that money and give to the poor, as Jesus said to do if you want rewards in heaven: “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.Then come, follow me.” (Matthew 19:21.

As shown in the verse by Jesus above, n8nrgim has ran away from Jesus' command, therefore additionally, n8nrgim does not love Jesus: “If you love me, you will keep my commandments." (John 14:15)

What a despicable outcome for n8nrgim in front of the membership, so sad. :(

TO THE MEMBERSHIP, IN REGARDING THAT N8NRGIM HAS ADMITTED THAT THEY ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN ANYMORE BY RUNNING AWAY FROM JESUS' TRUE WORDS, IT IS UP TO YOU CHRISTIAN MEMBERS IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE UNGODLY N8NRGIM!

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In the afterlife, am I going to be brutally tortured for all eternity?

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@n8nrgim

You are lucky, your afterlife will be the same as your beforelife.

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n8nrgim,

YOUR REVEALING QUOTE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU UPON YOUR EARTHLY DEMISE!!!: "In the afterlife, am I going to be brutally tortured for all eternity?"

Do the simple biblical math, of course you will be sent to the sulfur lakes of Hell for eternity as this passage so states: "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)".

Do you once again want to argue with Jesus' true words in the verse above that pertain to you specifically in being FAITHLESS because you ADMIT in running away from Jesus' true words? Huh? Furthermore, don't give me that crap about always being saved by Jesus' will, whereas, this purports then that there is no reason not to sin all the time, get it?

YOU HAVE DRASTICALLY SINNED AGAINST JESUS IN MY POST #19, AND WHEN YOU START SMELLING SULFUR, YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO DIE, BECAUSE YOU ARE HELL BOUND, PRAISE JESUS' REVENGE!

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LEMMING QUOTE IN RESPONSE THAT I MADE TO YOU IN MY POST #15, AND NOT HIM!: "It is not my view that tagging me for a post in which he complains about and insults me, is leaving me alone." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10129/posts/417022

First thing, I had to "tag Lemming" in my post to you to remind him of not being a HYPOCRITE, whereas he is to report Miss Tradesecret because she "personally" called Best.Korea AN IDIOT in her post #14, like he did in reporting me by calling pseudo-christians "Bible Stupid" which is NOT "personal" and where the moderators do not call me out upon this fact for years for obvious reasons!

LEMMING QUOTE OF WHERE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HE IS AT RELATIVE TO ME ALLEGEDLY INSULTING HIM: "One might argue he is not insulting me, but to my view he is, Passive aggressive, veiled taunting, indirect insulting perhaps, but I read intention in it. (Though I 'might be mistaken, I do not think I am)

If Lemming is going to take the position of policing this Religion Forum like it has been shown to me and the membership, then how can I be INSULTING him in my post #15 by wanting him to report Miss Tradesecret for calling Best.Korea an IDIOT, like he reported me for calling pseudo-christians "Bible Stupid?" Duh!

LEMMING QUOTE BEING A HYPOCRITE ONCE AGAIN: "And that post #15 be an attempt to derail the topic with an impertinent grudge."

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10129/posts/417022

Uh, you mean like Lemming outright derailing this threads topic with a grudge towards me in this link herewith: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10094/posts/416193 Can Lemming spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E again? Sure he can! LOL!

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so i take it that you dont want to be my BFF... best friend forever?

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YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO LEMMING POLICING THIS RELIGION FORUM: "Indeed Brother. Our resident police authority that has also taken it up on himself to be prosecutor, judge and jury without the full facts that have been freely offered and freely available to him only for him to ignore is quite astounding. I was accused of threatening him without a single piece of evidence."

I was also charged by Lemming in allegedly threatening him with his quote herewith: "Continue to spam towards me, taunting and threatening me, in an attempt that their activities might be unopposed." BUT, as shown in this threads link, I NEVER THREATENED HIM!: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10094/posts/416513

The moderators never did tell us what the disciplinary action of Lemming LYING above should be?!

LEMMINGS QUOTE OF INCITING SETH BROWN TO REPORT MY POSTS ADDRESSING HIS UNGODLY NOTION OF THERE BEING NO RESURRECTION: "If Mr.BrotherD.Thomas does not leave your thread, I encourage you to report him and his posts to one of the mods, whiteflame for example."

With Lemmings direct quote to Seth Brown as shown above, Lemming is directly not only harassing me in thinking that my godly posts were SPAM, but he also blatantly incites Seth Brown to do the same which DIRECTLY goes against COC rules herewith: "Targeted harassment of any member prohibited, as is inciting others to do so at your behest.” https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10094/posts/416193

The moderators never did tell us what the disciplinary action of Lemming INCITING Seth Brown to report me because of my godly posts should be?!

Oh well, we will look forward to Lemming making himself embarrassed again in wanting to police this Religion Forum in the future, whereas he obviously thinks that the moderators are not doing a good job themselves. He opened a can of worms, and expect us not to defend ourselves! Duh!

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