Bad news for Republicans. The Biden economy is churning along

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"What? The plebs can't see how great conditions are under our glorious leader? How dare they complain about massive inflation! It's their fault he isn't popular! Screw them!"
That also assumes people pissed off at Biden are ONLY Republicans. Recent polling suggests 2/3 of independents and 1/4 of Democrats hate Biden right now.

Biden is an equal opportunity offender.
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I just find it funny when a Democrat complains about paying taxes. Reminds me of an electrical circuit that just wont complete.

I just find it sad when a Republican complains about paying taxes. Reminds me of electrical circuit that has short circuited and shooting out sparks that can set house-of-cards on fire.......Ex Republican Trumpet led Jan 6 insurrection......is when MAGA complaining turned violent in D.C. and elsewhere to much lesser degree.
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That also assumes people pissed off at Biden are ONLY Republicans. Recent polling suggests 2/3 of independents and 1/4 of Democrats hate Biden right now.
Recent Polling from the MAGA Moron Research Center for Idiots? The MMRCI?

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Oh it was stupid. And Trump thinks that China pays import duties when in reality it’s the importer (Americans) who pay the tax on goods coming from China.
Gee willy, you're almost thinking like a Republican. Almost. Just apply this to taxes more broadly.

Farmers need the government to survive. Yet they rail about social programs for “other” people. Translation…not white people.
I'm not a farmer. The absolutely overwhelming majority of Republican voters are not farmers. You're whining about a tiny subsection of the population. Also, if you want us importing everything from China and/or paying more at the grocery aisle, then be my guest. That's not a hill I'm ready to die on.
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I'm not a farmer. The absolutely overwhelming majority of Republican voters are not farmers. 
Farmers. MAGA Morons. All the same. They all watch FOX News and think that is reality. Too dumb to use critical thinking skills.

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paying more at the grocery aisle
You know what keeps grocery prices down without tax payer subsidies from blue state Americans who pay all the taxes? Immigrant labor.

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Just apply this to taxes more broadly.
People who make 40k a year, an income you say is very common in areas with a low cost of living, pay zero federal income taxes. That’s why people from red states don’t contribute any income tax revenue to this country. They are free riders. Yet these are the people bitching about taxes and voting for Donald Trump.

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The absolutely overwhelming majority of Republican voters are not farmers. 
Bullshit. All the states in the farm belt vote Republican. From North Dakota down to Texas and places like Iowa and Indiana. These states get 2 Senators each even though there are hardly any people living there. So they vote themselves a bunch of welfare paid for by blue state Americans who do all the earning in this country.

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That also assumes people pissed off at Biden are ONLY Republicans.
Ya, all this prosperity, with low unemployment and an expanding GDP, and people not dying from COVID really pisses people off.

How’s that recession doing that you have been predicting for 2 years? I haven’t heard about it much lately.

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Lol, someone is really angry about the latest Biden polls.
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lol, no recession prediction anymore? What happened?

I thought MAGA Morons didn’t believe in polls. 
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No, believe billionaire media, not the polls. Because billionaires really care and can be trusted. lol.
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No, believe billionaire media, not the polls. Because billionaires really care and can be trusted. lol.
The polls are conducted by billionaire media. Who do Libertarians trust? Jimmy Dore and poor people? Are there any successful Libertarians? I can’t think of any. 

They seem to all be losers.

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Omg I sense a bond. Is Swagnarok your new padawan?

Teach him your dark ways. Tell him about "them" (you know, those who are really in power).
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Leave it to Biden to unite the country... in revulsion....
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You know that Gp is Pre Vizsla , don't you?
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I'm having a really fun night :D
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I would be very worried If I were american.

Did you see how high the public debt is? And the credit card debt? Shit, man, that's going to be a spectacle that deserve to be watched.
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Lol, I feel bad for the people that thought Biden was going to actually fix stuff. Talk about a mental hangover.
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People who make 40k a year, an income you say is very common in areas with a low cost of living, pay zero federal income taxes. That’s why people from red states don’t contribute any income tax revenue to this country. They are free riders. Yet these are the people bitching about taxes and voting for Donald Trump.

First of all, you're objectively wrong. Per Forbes the lower rungs of the 2023 tax brackets are as following:

-Not over $11,000: 10% of taxable income
-Over $11,000 but not over $44,725: $1,100 plus 12% of the excess over $11,000

For most of their income, then, a person making $40K would pay a federal income tax of 12 percent. To claim they pay zero federal income taxes is a patent lie, which doesn't in the least surprise me coming from you at this point.


Second, people in states with lower costs of living tend to cost less to administer benefits to; for example, in 2018 a single unit of low income housing can cost $750,000 in California.


In that same year, one 250-unit complex in Austin, Texas had a fair market price of $21 million, and was listed for sale at $24 million. Even going with the high figure, this suggests it cost less than 1/7th as much to deliver low-income housing services in what's probably one of the more expensive cities of Texas, a red state.


Third, red states are some of the most hard working statistically speaking. Here is a list of the top ten states in terms of hours worked; of these, only Nevada voted blue in 2016.


If red states make less money on average despite working the most hours, then the implication is that America's companies pay workers in red states less than workers elsewhere. One could justly argue, then, that money paid out to red states is them receiving the money they're owed, which is the farthest thing from mooching.

Fourth, you're not paying out to red states. The uber-rich are, and for the most part they just happen to live in one state or another. In 2020 the top 10%, defined as those who earn at least $152K a year, paid 73 percent of federal taxes. Suffice to say, even the state/territory with the highest per capita income in the nation isn't at $152K.


To personally take credit for what other people you've never met pay in taxes is the very definition of pathetic.
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Bullshit. All the states in the farm belt vote Republican. From North Dakota down to Texas and places like Iowa and Indiana.
You've bought into laughably outdated stereotypes. In 2021 South Dakota, the state with the highest percentage of jobs which were farm-related, that figure stood at a meager 5.47 percent.

Most of these workers, of course, don't live on farms with their families Little-House-on-the-Prairie-style but instead commute to work and then go home to their modern houses in the evening. You know, like Americans in general do.

There is nowhere -- and I repeat, nowhere -- in the United States where farming as a way of life is still the norm, save perhaps deep inside Amish country. And I suspect that hasn't been true at any point in the 21st century.
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For most of their income, then, a person making $40K would pay a federal income tax of 12 percent. To claim they pay zero federal income taxes is a patent lie, which doesn't in the least surprise me coming from you at this point.
No genius. There’s a big difference between gross income and taxable income.

The standard deduction for a married couple is 28k now. That takes them down to 12k  Add in a refundable child tax credit and they are actually being paid by the government rather than  paying taxes.
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In 2020 the top 10%, defined as those who earn at least $152K a year, paid 73 percent of federal taxes.
My household gross income is a half million a year. So yes, I am paying for you and people like you.

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@Swagnarok
red states are some of the most hard working statistically speaking.
So people in the south work long hours but don’t generate much revenue. 

Another way of saying that is workers in the south are not productive. Because they lack education or skills.

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My household gross income is a half million a year. So yes, I am paying for you and people like you.
LMAO your claims about your biography are getting more outlandish by the minute. Given that in all the time you've been on here you have given us zero reason to believe you're anything besides a developmentally stunted, chronically online type, I seriously doubt that. People of this nature seldom make it big or attain relevancy anywhere besides the sleaziest corners of Reddit.
But if, purely for the sake of argument, I accepted what you're claiming your salary to be, you would be an outlier in Massachusetts or any other state, blue or red. Which is to say this still wouldn't be a narrative of "blue states subsidizing red ones". Only rich individuals, wherever they happen to live, subsidizing poor individuals, also wherever they happen to live.

So people in the south work long hours but don’t generate much revenue. 
Bullocks. We both know that, at the national level, there's been a tenuous at best connection between productivity increases and real wage increases the past 50 years, with the former dramatically outpacing the latter. Highly productive people can very easily be underpaid in the US economy. Such as, for example, if you live in an area where the cost of living is low and you can afford to work for a lower salary, which most locals do, making that lower salary the accepted local average and making it harder for any one person to demand substantially more for their services.

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But if, purely for the sake of argument, I accepted what you're claiming your salary to be, you would be an outlier in Massachusetts or any other state, blue or red. Which is to say this still wouldn't be a narrative of "blue states subsidizing red ones". Only rich individuals, wherever they happen to live, subsidizing poor individuals, also wherever they happen to live.
The point is genius, the people who are in the top 2% of incomes live and work in blue states. California, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey.
These are the states with the highest earners.

The poorest states - Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi, Louisiana, are red states where all the MAGA Morons live. The Trump supporters who are too dumb to know why they are struggling or what to do about it.

And yes as an airline pilot, I make a minimum of 350k a year not including the company contribution to my 401k which is probably more than what you earn each year.
My wife makes another 130 a year and we have 75k in rental income. Sucks to be you.

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@Swagnarok
Highly productive people can very easily be underpaid in the US economy. Such as, for example, if you live in an area where the cost of living is low and you can afford to work for a lower salary, which most locals do, making that lower salary the accepted local average and making it harder for any one person to demand substantially more for their services.
Gee, maybe if they unionized they would get paid for their productivity. But Republicans don’t support unions do they? And the MAGA Morons are too dumb to recognize this so they just plod along making low wages, supporting right to work laws and blaming immigrants for their failure to improve their own personal economies.

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@Swagnarok
No genius. There’s a big difference between gross income and taxable income.

The standard deduction for a married couple is 28k now. That takes them down to 12k  Add in a refundable child tax credit and they are actually being paid by the government rather than  paying taxes.

Do you understand this now, how poor Americans pay zero federal income tax, or do I need to draw you a picture?
Do you understand the difference between gross income and taxable income now?

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FYI, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the median U.S. pilot salary at $211,790 in 2022. This means 50% of pilots earn more than this, and 50% earn less. However, there are pilots working for major airlines making more than $700,000 per year.
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See, I told you we were the only pilots on this site.