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@Savant
I never said that, it’s just that that post was a little off. Just pointing it out.
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@WyIted
It makes no sense as town tonl claim there either. You would still assume as town that mafia counters him. I just think the scum team is afraid of a doctor or a watcher and just got ahead of the guilty result
Do you don’t think mafia has a counter to a cop in a pie game? Do me a favor and research some pie games. Find me one where he doesn’t have a counter to a cop or other major town role in it. The fact that you are pointing out that it doesn’t make sense for Austin to do this is exactly my point.
holy grammar: do you not*
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@WyIted
Why would you even need a miller if the cop is only odd night
Excellent point!
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@Savant
There's no way you guys can think I'm lying about my role and then believe Austin's miller claim.
NEVER said that. I said that I think Earth is scummier than Austin, and that I wanna lynch Earth
Okay, so Austin is the riskier lynch, and Earth is the safer PoE plus some option. I know it sounds ambitious, but I kinda want to lynch scum this DP, so I’m leaning Austin a little.
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@whiteflame
I sincerely don’t get how Luna so solidly believes that Austin must be town beyond just saying he expected more from Austin if he was scum.
I am guilty of this. It comes from a place of arrogance. You are just incredulous that somebody can be so stupid so you refuse to believe it.
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@Moozer325
Okay, so Austin is the riskier lynch, and Earth is the safer PoE plus some option. I know it sounds ambitious, but I kinda want to lynch scum this DP, so I’m leaning Austin a little.
Isn't that just saying I'm townier than Earth? Like obviously voting a townier player will always be more ambitious, doesn't mean it's better.
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@Lunatic
In the last game with an odd night cop, scum had a 1x framer. I think that's more likely here than a miller the more I think about it.
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@WyIted
Earth has not been lurking. Earth is just not here
He has been though, after knowing he was in the POE for not contributing. And his response to that was to claim one of the most commonly scum claimed roles in existence, then disappear. No case for his innocence whatsoever. On the other hand no one ever claims miller anymore because in games pie exists in he just hard tunnels them to death regardless of affiliation. Miller is one of the scariest roles to claim. Austin who is on a win streak as scum and notorious for being super undercover and not scum read in both recent wins, randomly decides to claim the role that dart users tend to mislynch the most.
It doesn’t make sense to me.
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@Savant
Why would you even need a miller if the cop is only odd nightExcellent point!
I don’t follow
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@whiteflame
There’s just generally a whole lot of WIFOM responses I’m getting from Austin. I agree, this was a silly move if Austin was scum. It’s a silly move if Austin is town. It’s silly all around because it was obviously anti-town and defensive. No matter what he flips, the choice to claim this role this late reeks of desperation.If he’s a desperate townie, then he misplayed his role very badly and is getting scumread for something he could have at least partially salvaged by staying mum about his role or softclaiming.If he’s desperate scum expecting to be copped, then this is a last ditch effort. A mistaken one (there was always the chance that Savant would have copped someone else or been interfered with), but it is nonetheless an effort to shake both the cop and the lynch.I sincerely don’t get how Luna so solidly believes that Austin must be town beyond just saying he expected more from Austin if he was scum. Difference between Austin’s previous games and this one: he didn’t have a claimed Cop with clear intentions to target him during NP1. Maybe there’s more to it than that. Maybe Austin would never do this as scum even under pressure. I just don’t buy it.I’ll wait a bit before locking in my vote, but at this rate, Austin’s either going to be the lynch this DP or next, and I’d rather get rid of him and put the focus elsewhere next DP, whether he’s town or scum.
So what would you do in my situation where I'm being tunneled, likely investigated, leading to a mislynch and a waste of a DP? Idk wtf I was supposed to do here except leave Savant alone because anyone voting him must automatically be scum in his eyes.
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@Moozer325
I think he means you're more likely to be scum, but Earth will help us narrow down POE even if he's town. But POE is always shifting, so I think it's better to go for scum every time.
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@Moozer325
I don’t follow
Odd night cop isn't super powerful, so a miller role wouldn't affect the game much more than vanilla. 1x framer would make more sense as a foil to an odd night cop
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@Moozer325
I mean there is a chance earth is town here too, it’s not an either or situation with him and Austin. But Austin is at least trying to defend himself. Earth has been under pressure for over 24 hours and has done nothing to indicate he cares about his wagon or defending himself, or trying to lynch correctly or move the game forward or generally do anything town should be trying to do if they want to win.
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@Lunatic
I haven't read recent games. I guess if it ends up 4 votes on earth and 4 on Austin, I agree to switch my vote because it is preferable to a no lynch.
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@Savant
I guess so, but it’s not that big of a deal for me.
That said, a 1x framer would probably have a strongman too, so it's not clear why Austin would feel the need to claim if scum could just kill me tonight. Maybe a regular framer?
Official Vote Count:
Austin (3/5) - Savant, Casey, Wylted
Earth (2/5) - Lunatic, Austin
43 minutes remain
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@Lunatic
See, that’s what makes me think he just has something more important to do. Maybe he’s trying some weird new strategy, but I don’t think so.
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@AustinL0926
So what would you do in my situation where I'm being tunneled, likely investigated,
I don't know, ignore it because you can't trust a cops results if he is outted and he is probably going to be strong manned or ninjad tonight anyway
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@Savant
I think he means you're more likely to be scum, but Earth will help us narrow down POE even if he's town. But POE is always shifting, so I think it's better to go for scum every time.
This makes no sense. Seriously, if you could snap out of this tunnel for one sec, it'd be nice.
If moozer or joebob was scum and Austin was genuinely innocent than he would be at L1 today and I can't imagine that they are both town players.
Savant totally reminds me of myself. I can totally see me doing this a few years back lol. And then being wrong and adamantly defending the reasons for doing the thing I did
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@WyIted
Austin's actions make the most sense if he knows there's no mafia strongman or role blocker.
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@AustinL0926
So what would you do in my situation where I'm being tunneled, likely investigated, leading to a mislynch and a waste of a DP? Idk wtf I was supposed to do here except leave Savant alone because anyone voting him must automatically be scum in his eyes.
I gave that at length already, but I'll do it again. If I believed I'd be a likely mislynch the next DP, I'd double down on my efforts to get NK'd, particularly with a claimed Cop on the board who is likely to be protected during the night. Softclaiming a confirmable PR would have been a better move since you could have drawn the NK. Now you can't, and I think you know well enough that just straight claiming Miller at this point was bound to get you lynched this DP or next, but if you're town and didn't think that, then discarding your effort to distract the NK still makes you virtually worthless to town while significantly moving you up the sus list at a point where everyone else is still split on their choices for a lynch. Not a great play.
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@Lunatic
Savant totally reminds me of myself
What about whiteflame? He's an experienced player.
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@Lunatic
Savant totally reminds me of myself. I can totally see me doing this a few years back lol. And then being wrong and adamantly defending the reasons for doing the thing I did
I don't understand. I could care less if I am wrong. I am not 100% that Austin us scum. I think he is most likely scum and doubt myself.
I am not going to blame him if he is mislynched though, it will be my own fault for not reading him better.
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@Moozer325
See, that’s what makes me think he just has something more important to do. Maybe he’s trying some weird new strategy, but I don’t think so.
I mean, if I was scum, I would just yolo it and hope that I didn't get investigated, and if I did, I would blame a redirector or something. You've seen my scum play, I play pretty conservatively and wait as late as possible before claiming. I just genuinely don't get how you would think I would claim a Miller as a brilliant strategy when it's obvious to anyone it would draw attention to me.
Alright, I’ve made my decision. As tempting as it was to let you guys all keep vying for my vote, I had to choose eventually. From what I see, Earth is just an inactive PoE choice, and Austin has been really trying to dig up as much as they can on him.
I don’t really want to lynch based on just PoE and inactivity, so I guess I’ll got for Austin.
You can still maybe change my mind though.
VTL Austin