ADOL & Tim Pool on Rape as Punishment

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This is a repost from another website (a naughty forum). I felt I should post it here because I quote someone from this site. When I say "this website" I'm not talking about debateart.

I thought this would be the ideal time to make a point, what with the normally impenetrable derision characteristic of the internet scum bag being subdued by recent events. At least the scum bags suffering from TDS.

Right about now a lot of you will be complaining about all the hateful rhetoric and how scared everyone should be, but this is the perfect time to remind you that you have some scary (and despicable) pieces of shit on your side too. Did you call them out when you were riding high and thought you were on the right side of history?

A most useful example is something that has been a trigger issue of mine for a long time. Rape as a form of hexing. Wishing rape upon your enemies or those you find despicable.

Why? Well before this website existed I was debating people about the morality of bestiality. The psychology of the normal person in regards to bestiality is a complicated subject but suffice to say a lot of normies are disgusted and a certain subset of those disgusted people seemed to find some sort of vent in wishing rape upon myself and all zoosexuals.

It happened with such frequency that I concluded it was more than merely a random insult (not that it would be tolerable as such). One's first guess would be that it was some kind of an 'eye for an eye' thing. They think zoosexuals are rapists, and rapists should be raped.

After all certainly the most common example of people cheering prison rape is the rape of supposed pedophiles and it's pretty clear that many of the people cheering see some kind of poetic justice in it.

That doesn't explain everything though. You see in the case of zoosexuals the rape fantasizers were often quite particular about the rapist being an animal.

I can't recall the people fantasizing about the rape of pedophiles ever specifying that the rapist ought to be a child. There is something to that difference in terms of a tacit admission that animals are not like children, they have no 'innocence' to protect.

Still there is a final piece of the puzzle. Sometimes people fantasize about the rape of people by non-humans with no context of zoosexuality.

This was posted by someone called Sidewalker April 28th 2024 (emphasis bold added).
Key Takeaways:

  1. Recent legal processes say Donald Trump has 91 Felony charges

  2. Despite some improvements in prison security, Trump will soon be putting on a dress and dancing for his cell mate "Rocky".

  3. The halls will be filled with the sound of "The Donald" squealing like a pig.
  4. Rocky's new nickname for Trump will be "My Bitch".
  5. Trump also squeals like a pig for Rocky's friends, relatives, and some large mammals.

  6. Trump learns to enjoy squealing like a pig for Rocky and his friends.
Thoughts?
Here the prison rape fantasy is combined with animal rape, as if to emphasize... what?

Dehumanization, that's the answer. Defilement, shame, defeat, etc...

The common denominator of all rape fantasizers is that they think its shameful to be raped. That there is some kind of cosmic justice which causes only those who deserve it to be raped, or at least those who deserved it to be raped more than others.

We don't have to look very hard at the history and diversity of human cultures to see this idea expressed. When I connected it to the honor killing of raped women I knew I had figured it out.

Now these people are not necessarily consciously aware of it, but in my opinion it is the only plausible reason these rape fantasizers could get an ounce of catharsis out of their fantasy; and they clearly do and they get more when they make it public and sneer and laugh at the victim.

From the time I realized this on it has always infuriated me. To give an analogy: It's OK to hate Hissene Habre, but when you throw the hard R in your insults you're saying something about yourself too.

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Isn't this all just people talking on the internet? Who cares?

Well the assertion that the internet is a fake world where no words matter was always stupid and it's getting stupider every year.

We're real people talking to real people, and worse we're often more honest than we are in person. If you want to know why politeness exists just imagine how quickly the punching would start if people acted in real life as they do online.

Prison rape is not just an abstract idea, it happens; and given that it's been a long time since the invention of the security camera one can only conclude that it's being allowed to happen.

The only reason it would be allowed to happen is these sick rape fantasizers. It truly is a slippery slope for the victims are not all zoosexuals and pedophiles (not that anyone deserves it).

The rape fantasizer will slide down the slope and start to imagine more and more enemies and those they find beneath them as valid targets for punishment by rape. There is perhaps nothing more corrosive to society than to imagine political disagreement to be a valid basis for torture and yet rape fantasizers have already and will continue to publicly interject the image of their political opponents being raped, not as some well intentioned warning or worse case prediction but as a implicit wish.

Some shitstains on this website have done this and some have done it to me, and they know who they are. I have given an example of someone doing it about a former president and presidential candidate.

These people are enabling a most inexcusable torture, they are doing it over reasons that would be insufficient to slap someone, and it is more than just talk:

Jason Galanis claims to have been sexually abused in prison. There is a strong implication that it was done in political retribution. I'm not a human lie detector but his acting is good enough to convince me.

A commentator I regularly follow commented on that story and I'd like to amplify what he said:

Welcome to the brave new world. It's not surprising. These things have happened forever. It appears that his story is... I don't know if he's trying to make that direct connection, but it appears so, that he's basically saying: When he decided to speak out and alert people to what was going on, providing evidence. The corrupt individuals in government, the "Biden crime family", whatever you want to call it, set out to retaliate against him to the point where he was sexually abused.

Because they know that's a form of torture, and it's colloquially... I mean it's a joke in the United States.

How horrifying is that?

That we live in a world where... in this country the left, they gloat, they laugh about it! That... these people will be raped in prison.

That's torture, but that's what communists do, they don't care about enlightenment values, they don't care about truth or honesty, they don't care about a functioning system. They care about power.

Unfortunately that's the world we're in. That's it. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

I know that it isn't only the left-tribe that does this. I stopped listening to Stephen Crowder entirely because their "jokes" about prison rape were transparently wishful fantasies. The left, or more accurately the trump deranged are the only ones I have seen fantasize about it for random citizens and candidates for high office (accused of sexual crimes or not).

The Trump deranged are trying to normalize it in new contexts when it was abhorrent in the original one (of dehumanizing sexual deviants).

Tim Pool went on to say:
All I can say is: you better hope and pray and beg that people actually get out register people to vote, knock on doors, and come November create a red wave that eclipses all other elections and Trump wins.
That is more or less what happened. So Trump won't be getting raped in prison by animals as Sidewalker hoped. Nor will I be raped in prison for exercising my 1st amendment rights. But there are people who have already suffered assault and still rapists and those who delight in the idea of their enemies being raped.

Justice demands the villains pay dearly and the victimization stops. That requires more than prison reform. It requires that the scum who dare to openly fantasize about their enemies being raped are ostracized.

FYI I don't have the slightest interest of associating with anyone who is interested in permitting any rapes even to his or her worst enemy, similarly I have no interest in the advise or friendship of anyone who thinks playing dumb or letting it slide is in any way noble or appropriate. Obviously say your piece of that is how you feel but I will almost certainly ignore it.
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A call out thread?

This is what happens when MAGA wins. MAGA loses its mind.
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Don't worry, our plan to wipe out the Republican Party has worked.
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our plan to wipe out the Republican Party has worked
Yes!

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I have no doubt that people talk about rape in prison without thinking about rape in prison; they are saying a vile comment about an individual they think is vile. In most instances, it is no different from those who talk about the torture and murder of those they find abhorrent. Those who say it to you think you are deviant and therefore deserve deviancy. You are not the one giving it, but the one receiving it...“how do you like it?” It is a way to degrade, punish, and gain the upper hand. It is a very male thing to say. Heterosexual men see men raping other men as a very horrible thing. It is what they imagine to be the worst kind of humiliation and punishment.

Another problem is the idea everyone gets raped in prison. Everyone does not get raped in prison. It is uncommon in many prisons in the world. It is even uncommon in many US prisons. When homosexual acts do occur in prison, they tend to be consensual.

I don't know. It is interesting you find this disgusting, yet believe your interest in animals is ok. None of us are perfect, are we?
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I have no doubt that people talk about rape in prison without thinking about rape in prison
One can hope, but the problem is rape does happen in prison.

"ur moma" jokes cease to be acceptable when the person in question (or any person) is actually having sex with your mother (or any particular person) and using that as a point of degradation for the purposes of inciting anger.


In most instances, it is no different from those who talk about the torture and murder of those they find abhorrent.
And if thousands of prisons turned a blind eye to torture and murder in their prisons?

Another thing I hate is dishonor. To do indirectly by making people under your power vulnerable and then doing nothing to stop it while claiming the virtue signal of being above it is dishonorable.

A nation that claims to be beyond torture that smugly allows torture is hypocritical.

A people that claim to tolerate no rape and yet that delights in it being done to those they find vile in prisons they control is hypocritical.


Those who say it to you think you are deviant and therefore deserve deviancy.
Rape (real, not role-play) isn't deviancy. It is an abhorrent crime. It is torture. And the mind that takes satisfaction in it reveals their own unchecked subconscious notions about the meaning of sex. Reveals sex is a tool of degradation and domination in the back of their mind.

The flaw being in the rape-delighter, their delight is not limited to certain classes of enemy. Eventually everyone will deserve it, and the OP details that.


It is a way to degrade, punish, and gain the upper hand.
Precisely. Thinking of sex that way (with real people in real situations) is sick.


Heterosexual men see men raping other men as a very horrible thing.
Rape is horrible. Rape as punishment is the worst form of rape.

Identical in terms of value to someone who gets pleasure by causing pain (to real victims.


It is what they imagine to be the worst kind of humiliation and punishment.
Well, not all "heterosexual men" but the sick fucks the OP is talking about; yes.


Another problem is the idea everyone gets raped in prison.
It is too common, as are prison murders. Even if it wasn't the people believe it is common and that is what the context of their sick fantasies must be judged by.

There is one context in which I support the death penalty without reservation: Heinous crime after you're already in prison.

You kill or rape someone in prison. That's the final strike. Just fucking end the perp. Bury them in a shallow grave. Spit on the grave, and walk away.

And the idea that they could get away with it as in there is no proof? That is a conscious choice of prison wardens, nothing else. If they put prisoners together without a guard (and these days 5 cameras) watching that is not a "shrug what can you do" situation.


When homosexual acts do occur in prison, they tend to be consensual.
That's got nothing to do with this issue, although that should be stopped as well. Prison is for punishment, not a homosexual orgy.


It is interesting you find this disgusting, yet believe your interest in animals is ok. None of us are perfect, are we?
Nobody is perfect, but my hatred of rape, dishonor, double standards, and hypocrisy are not on the list of my imperfections.
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Another thing I hate is dishonor. To do indirectly by making people under your power vulnerable and then doing nothing to stop it while claiming the virtue signal of being above it is dishonorable.
Yes, this is dishonorable. Those who hate Trump are not honorable.

A people that claim to tolerate no rape and yet that delights in it being done to those they find vile in prisons they control is hypocritical.
I agree.

You kill or rape someone in prison. That's the final strike. Just fucking end the perp. Bury them in a shallow grave. Spit on the grave, and walk away.
Isn't torture a better punishment?

That is a conscious choice of prison wardens, nothing else. If they put prisoners together without a guard (and these days 5 cameras) watching that is not a "shrug what can you do" situation.
This is why it is not as common as most think, unless the prison is a very horrible place; the type of prison where prisoners are not fed, showered, or treated when they have a medical issue.

Prison is for punishment, not a homosexual orgy.
I believe it is those who have been in prison for a long time who resort to homosexuality.

Nobody is perfect, but my hatred of rape, dishonor, double standards, and hypocrisy are not on the list of my imperfections.
I will not speculate on what you have and have not done with animals, but I would say an animal may not be able to consent to sex with a human. It is true some male dogs get carried away with human legs, arms, soft toys, and so on. Does this mean they want to be the ones on the receiving end? They all say animals cannot talk. Animals can also not reproduce with humans.

That said, I understand the rest.
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Isn't torture a better punishment?
No. To inflict pain when there is no hope of reform treads too far from civilization. Just as inflicting pain to gain pleasure does.

A person who is in prison is there to reform and to be an example to discourage others, to commit the worst of crimes while being given a chance is as sure a rejection as one can ever see. There is no point in wasting time and resources or risking release or escape.


I will not speculate on what you have and have not done with animals
I won't l confirm nor deny anything on that front so it probably saves time to refrain.


but I would say an animal may not be able to consent to sex with a human
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A person who is in prison is there to reform and to be an example to discourage others, to commit the worst of crimes while being given a chance is as sure a rejection as one can ever see. There is no point in wasting time and resources or risking release or escape.
You and I differ here. The prison was a compromise. Before they were used to house criminals, the criminals were executed. The idea that they are intended to reform is a very new one. They continue to be the compromise between execution or the continued existence of the criminal able to commit more crime if he remains in society and is not set on a different path through punishment. It takes discipline to be set on a different path, and it does not work for those who have not found Christ. It does not work for those who have not been made to learn empathy. You have to learn the hard way.

Those who are going to be psychopaths will be. They don't care about who is in prison. Most do not believe they will go to prison. They think they can get away with it.

When I got into trouble for wrong behaviors, being in a jail cell on three separate occasions did serve as a deterrent, or perhaps more of a “this is unpalatable, so I will become different.” The truth is that most of those who commit the worst atrocities have no prior experience of jail or prison. They are introduced to it after they commit their atrocity, and by then it is too late to ever let them be free walking among the public. I am talking about the pedophiles, the baby murderers, the child murderers, those who have taken innocent human life in grotesque manners.

With regard to the criminals who did spend one or a few days in a jail cell, there is a problem if it did not discourage them. A very real problem. Not going to prison is met with another compromise; probation. If being on probation and having to bend the knee to a bunch of dictatorial witches does not make you ever want to see the place or these people again, you should probably be in prison, and stay there.
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The idea that they are intended to reform is a very new one.
I think reform is implicit in the idea of temporary imprisonment and temporary exile.

Temporary exile is not new, not  by a long shot.


It could be a game theory thing rather than a genuine hope of reform though, i.e. if you kill people for every crime, every one who is accused will fight to the death. Very easy for a society to spiral into anarchy that way.
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Another problem is the idea everyone gets raped in prison. Everyone does not get raped in prison. It is uncommon in many prisons in the world.
If you are a pedophile in prison, you will probably get raped, or seriously beaten or bullied or painfully killed. It is very uncommon for a pedophile not to be seriously abused in prison.
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Is this your experience?
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Is this your experience?
I wasnt exactly raped, but did get abused a lot.