Wiki (Debate and Argument Tactics) – Help Dissect, Analyze, and Weaponize Arguments

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While not limited to this site, I've built a wiki which archives the best debate moments we've had (such as by doing reviews of said debates, and linking to them at archive.org). I've named it Debate and Argument Tactics, and it may be found at:

I do suggest bookmarking it, in case anything happens to DebateArt in the future.

Largely the goals are as follows:
  • Catalogue and analyze the best debates, and ensure they are never lost
  • Explore arguments from both sides of any topic
  • Build a tactical playbook of rhetorical techniques, logical fallacies, and philosophical critiques
A good amount of work has gone into building templates for the following categories which are core to the organization:
  • Debates – Case studies of real debates, with clean breakdowns of tactics used.
  • Arguments – Contention lines by topic for both sides, along with rebuttals and defenses, explaining the tactics used.
  • Tactics – Educational deep-dives into logic, rhetoric, fallacies, and debate strategy.
    • Fallacies – Self-explanatory, but there are multiple newly coined ones to deal with the changing landscape of rhetoric in the world.
Why It's Different
  • It's a holistic approach, rather than being just a list of fallacies, or just a list of debates...
  • It's not a living appeal to tradition (even while it is intended to serve in part as a museum for online debates after their original sites are gone)
  • It's intended to be fun to read. You've all seen my wittiness in debates, of course I won't build a dull site narrated by Ben Stein.
  • Anyone is welcome to contribute (which is to say no gatekeeping... at least not yet...), so any vaguely topical contribution will be accepted.
  • And lastly, I'll dare to say that it looks good. 😎😎😎
If anyone wishes it had something, but doesn't feel like adding it themselves, post here or message me and I'll see about doing a writeup for it. 


Note: This was previously announced, but it was brought to my attention that it merits its own thread.
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My strategy in debating is very simple. Take a topic, find and save in notes as much arguments as possible which are supporting it and use them when debating. Debating itself is useful to produce new arguments.

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While I'm not going to rush to update all prior pages, I have changed the use of symbols in the argument page template. They're now more intuitive to other (but less intuitive to me). https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Argument

Before it was ➕ for whomever initiates a contention, and ➖ for attacks against it.

Now is is ➕ for pro, ➖ for con.

Hopefully this will lead to an easier time with edit.

On wiki pages, it'll display something like this (and vice versa for con):

Pro Argument Title: Statement supporting the affirmative.
     Supporting claim or explanation.
Con Rebuttal Title: Response challenging the above.
     Reasoned counterpoint or evidence.
Pro Defense Title: Counter-response to preserve the original.
     Further clarification or justification.
Con Second Rebuttal Title: Continuing challenge.
     Elaboration or deepened criticism.

Or in code form (each : at the start of al ine marks an indent):
:➖ '''Con Argument Title''': Statement supporting the negative.
:: Supporting claim or explanation.
::➕ '''Pro Rebuttal Title''': Response challenging the above.
::: Reasoned counterpoint or evidence.
:::➖ '''Con Defense Title''': Counter-response to preserve the original.
:::: Further clarification or justification.
::::➕ '''Pro Second Rebuttal Title''': Continuing challenge.
:::: Elaboration or deepened criticism.

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Aside from that, there is a matter I could use a little feedback on... Not sure the best way to phrase this, but should the wiki discourage good arguments from bad application of social sciences via leaps of faith in the data? E.g., in a presidential debate, Hilary Clinton argued X (for the sake of argument, that any baby born under the full moon would be a werewolf, and thus must be aborted in the 4th trimester), but 28.55% of citizens still voted for her. Should pages making arguments on topics related to X, assume those 28.55% of Americans believe X just because they voted for a candidate running on said platform?

I'm conflicted on this because I'm a data scientist. It's unconventional to assume people vote for things they believe in, and even if they do, there's such problems as single issue voters, and of course the need to pick the on balance lesser of two evils. Yet, the outcome is still pretty compelling, and leads to great argument soundbites: 30% of Missouri voters agree that it's not rape if you get her pregnant! (yeah, actual thing... A candidate running on an anti-abortion platform proclaimed that, and people still voted for him... That's less scary when you consider only like half of the eligible voters voted, so like 15% of them... but that's still 15% of a state should shouldn't be allowed to breath the same oxygen as human beings).
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should the wiki discourage good arguments from bad application of social sciences via leaps of faith in the data
The conclusion should probably follow from premises in argument.

Saying:
P1. Person A supports abortion
P2. These people voted for person A
C. These people support abortion

The conclusion doesnt need to follow from these premises. Maybe vote is due to some other issues, not abortion.

If person A instead was against abortion and made arguments against abortion, it doesnt mean people agree with those arguments. Maybe they are just against abortion, and must simply tolerate those arguments to vote.

I dont think each person who voted for Trump agrees with everything Trump says. It is more like: "He is bad, but they are even worse.".

The argument can be made that each person who voted for Trump is responsible for Trump being in power, but to say they approve of everything Trump says and does wouldnt follow there. Its more like they didnt see less bad option there. They disagree with Trump a lot, but they disagree with others even more.

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Work gradually continues. I got sucked into the rabbit hole of trolls, and while I'm sure my entries are flawed, they should manage to convey the variety within trolls: https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Troll

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I randomly got the best encouragement last night!

Talking politics with a friend, he didn't know what a couple of the terms I used meant so Googled them; the AI summary results were unmistakably paraphrased from https://debate.miraheze.org/

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This is a strong and valuable topic—understanding debate and argument tactics can really improve how we think, communicate, and evaluate information. Instead of “weaponizing” arguments, a more effective approach is to focus on clarity, logic, and respectful discussion. Breaking down arguments, identifying assumptions, and recognizing biases helps build more constructive and meaningful conversations.
A practical solution is to use structured methods like identifying claims, checking evidence, and comparing viewpoints. This approach not only strengthens your own arguments but also makes it easier to understand others. Clear presentation of information plays a big role here, just like how a well-organized Waffle House menu website helps users quickly explore options, compare choices, and make better decisions.
Overall, focusing on analysis, clarity, and respectful dialogue leads to better outcomes than simply trying to “win” an argument.
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The menu is already picked in debates. decided by the two sides. Are you offering a third choice with your organ Waffle House menu website ?