The Russian Mafia DP2

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Additional: I should have refreshed before posting, there was more.

I think it's fair to suggest full claims from those on my results at the very least. One of you three is scum, the other two are town confirmed. 
The other two are town confirmed huh?

That does mean something. That means if you keep dreaming (and town) then town is going to win very quickly, mafia will have to try and stop you. Anyone who can protect lunatic should do so.

Secondly it means this was not a ploy to engender trust into a scum fellow of Lunatic's  UNLESS there are three scum.

Which, if Lunatic is scum, and there are only two scum, means the only agenda can be the elimination of three town (which is no small thing).


multiple scum can be on the results.
All the above is void. I think the whole scum team is probably banana and that2user because I know I'm not and of the defending incident. What I'm saying is if we lynch one of them and he's scum, we should go straight for the next.


Full claim please
Grigori Potemkin, Shield, because I can protect people from the ugly truth by building a Potemkin village around them.

I will certainly be shielding lunatic. Doesn't cure him of suspicion but it's nearly certain that we will lynch someone on his list and if I die protecting Lunatic (and he is town) then:
A.) That reveals I'm innocent, and since I'm on the list narrows the suspect list to two. Since we will likely lynch someone that narrows it to one. That means you only need to lynch one person next round to either get a scum or prove Lunatic lying scum.
B.) Gives Lunatic a chance at another dream

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Grigori Potemkin, Shield, because I can protect people from the ugly truth by building a Potemkin village around them.

I will certainly be shielding lunatic. Doesn't cure him of suspicion but it's nearly certain that we will lynch someone on his list and if I die protecting Lunatic (and he is town) then:
A.) That reveals I'm innocent
B.) Gives Lunatic a chance at another dream

If you shield someone do you die in their place? Or do you just protect them from a kill period?
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I have read DP1 in full. Ngl the Earth lynch was kinda retarded.
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btw if a dreamer is visited by literally anyone, they do not get more results. Which is probably fine that you visit me anyway, because I doubt mafia would allow me to get results again. 
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I die in their place.

btw if a dreamer is visited by literally anyone, they do not get more results
Oh really? Does that include protection like my ability?
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I have read DP1 in full. Ngl the Earth lynch was kinda retarded.
Keep in mind he hammered himself. But I don't think it was that retarded, he was counter claimed as the first tsar by banana. Why casey put that in two seperate characters role PM's is beyond me. Or banana is lying, which is also a strong possibility. Also double Ivan's both the great and the terrible was a little suspicious. That said, deadline was coming up and earth hammered himself before anyone else could comment anyway, so if you had thoughts on the matter, blame earth for preventing you from sharing them. 
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Okay so ADOL is essentially a bodyguard then. I am inclined to believe it, as we don't have any other claimed protective roles atm. 
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*bump repeat:
btw if a dreamer is visited by literally anyone, they do not get more results
Oh really? Does that include protection like my ability?

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So for me its between that2user and banana. Honestly a bit torn, I don't like the executioner claim and the fact that earth flipped innocent also doesn't look good for her claiming to be the first tsar, but I also don't see why she would lie about it. I still have most of the same issues with That2users claim, especially the assassination thing, when her family was executed, but I'll cede that if she was going off of her memory of the disney movie she might have thought it was an assassination, though I think she should have deferred to her role pm in this situation.

there is a chance both are scum, but idk. I'll wait to hear thoughts from others. I am split. 
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I die in their place.
Ok.

Kinda hard to gauge claims by game design bc I can tell the setup is strange. I’ve seen the confirmed/claimed roles before, but seeing them all combined together makes it hard for me to figure out what the game design philosophy was here.

I’ll look it up but at first glance the justification seems reasonable.
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Oh really? Does that include protection like my ability?
Correct, any visit whatsoever would prevent me getting results. That said, now that I've exposed my role, there's no way mafia would let me get results anyway. 
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That2, could you clarify the justification for your character being beloved princess? I didn’t fully grasp it last DP.


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Mod note: The rules as written do not explicitly forbid copy-pasting mod communications in general, only role PMs. As such, I will not take any moderator action here. However, from this point forward, please do not copy-paste any private mod communications, or pretend to do so. You may paraphrase them instead. Thank you.
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Who did Mharman replace for?
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My apologies, I didn't think that rule applied to questions and answers. 
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Who did Mharman replace for?
Wylted. 
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Is that specified? I don't think I've ever been in a game where that's the case  
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Noted was just  a bit confused
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Oh really? Does that include protection like my ability?
Correct, any visit whatsoever would prevent me getting results. That said, now that I've exposed my role, there's no way mafia would let me get results anyway. 
Well maybe I should refrain then. Not to put you in the line of fire, but if you are sure you won't be able to produce another list (and I agree if nobody can protect you), then maybe the best thing you can do is die in the night.

That will remove the suspicion that you are scum and validate the one list we have.

Analysis?

Sorry another EDIT:

If scum sees this intention and they refuse to kill you, they risk another list unless they keep using non-lethal visits on you

All townies should be able to agree to refrain from visiting you except unless they can do something very useful like supporting your claim of town citizenship.

That means scum would have to decide between you being a constant drain on their non-lethal ability or else validating your list by means of martyrdom.


Of course if you are scum you'll just claim somebody keeps blocking you or worse give lists with no mafia in it; but that risk exists regardless so it doesn't affect the comparative logic.
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After I read DP1, I had decided I was gonna keep an eye on Lunatic, Whiteflame, Vader, and ADOL.

That’s where I was at.
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I hate to bring out the mod psyche here but I sort of think that note puts Luna as likely town. It is likely to ask about hypotheticals but I don't know if he would do that as scum from what I have or copy and paste the exact message. So I kind of think it pushes him a bit town from mod psyche alone IMO 
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There is a way that Lunatic can still be alive yet draw the same suspicion but I am not gonna say (assuming he's telling the truth about visit negates action) so that we don't give scum any way of trying to win
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Well maybe I should refrain then. Not to put you in the line of fire, but if you are sure you won't be able to produce another list (and I agree if nobody can protect you), then maybe the best thing you can do is die in the night.

That will remove the suspicion that you are scum and validate the one list we have.

Analysis?

I would just use your best judgement on how to bodyguard tonight. Openly calling out your target either way will lead mafia to plan around it, if they have roleblock abilities for example they can prevent you from doing it and kill me anyway. But yeah, me dying isn't really the worst thing here since I already have exposed results, and confirming them would be good. If I can take pressure off of other potential power roles even better. 
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 On second thought about ADOL’s justification: It’s possible Casey went for that and I can see it, but it’s not as clean of a justification as I would’ve hoped. There is a deceptive aspect here, possibly one that interferes with investigative abilities. Lawyer comes to mind
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Heads up, you are not allowed to edit posts in mafia. I don't think casey will modkill you for it since you obviously didn't know. But the problem with that is if someone scum slipped, they can go back and erase or change it.
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Dread from it, run from it, mod psyche still arrives. You can’t stop it Casey. Remember that.
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Right, bad habit; I'll stop.
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Also you seemed to think earth was scum at the end of dp1 did you not? 

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Alright actually that Shield claim I kind of like to be honest and it's not for the way he claimed, gonna kind soft-ish claim but my role really isn't a traditional mafia role from my knowledge (or in any games I've played). Shield seems like some form of doctor and based on my role, this theme of having unique variations of roles based on certain aspects of the character make sense.

Also too I feel like if he was scum, any teammate (even if knew), would've just told him to claim a protective and not a new shield role