The Russian Mafia DP2

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This DP will last 72 hours and will end on Saturday the 19th at 11:00 PM EDT, or when a majority vote is reached.

Deceased Players:
  • Earth - Lynched DP1 - You are Ivan III, aka Ivan the Great! Ivan III was the first person in Russian history to bear the title of ‘Tsar’, and reigned as Tsar for longer than any other monarch in Russian history except for his grandson, Ivan IV. As Tsar, Ivan III ended the dominance of the Tatars over Russia and brought other lands into his territory through purchase and conquest. Because of how Ivan consolidated power and brought more people and territory under Russian control, you may add more people to your own neighborhood. You are the Neighborizer. Once per night, you may target any other player to add them to your own Neighborhood, a private chat where every member can directly talk with each other as long as they are alive. You win with the Town.
  • Savant - Died NP1 - You are Sergei Witte! Previously a skillful diplomat who helped negotiate an end to the Russo-Japanese War, Witte became the first prime minister of Russia after advising the Tsar to move towards constitutional monarchy in the wake of the 1905 revolution. Witte knew it was the only way to quell the revolutionary masses, though he did not believe it would serve as a long-term solution for Russia's issues. Because of Witte's history as a diplomat and his strategy as prime minister of trying to avoid war, you are the DP2 Emissary. At the start of DP2, the name of a randomly chosen Town-affiliated player will be revealed to you. You win with the Town.
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  1. ILikePie5
  2. Lunatic
  3. That2User
  4. whiteflame
  5. Vader
  6. iamanabanana
  7. Mharman
  8. Cerulean
  9. ADreamOfLiberty
With nine living players, it takes five votes to reach a majority.
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Damn Savant being killed sucks 

We also have 2 town players currently under the Russia history from what I know so I think some pressure on Soviets should potentially claim

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Did anything interesting happen last night?
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vtl whiteflame
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Did anything interesting happen last night?
Oh, I got fruit.
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Damn Savant being killed sucks 

We also have 2 town players currently under the Russia history from what I know so I think some pressure on Soviets should potentially claim
Yeah, it's more than a little frustrating.

As for claiming, I'm willing to do it if that's how we want to go. I'll start by just claiming my character and we can go from there: I'm Leon Trotsky. If enough people want my full claim, I'll give it.
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vtl whiteflame
Is this vote just because of Vader's suggestion that players with Soviet characters should claim or is this coming from somewhere else?

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Anyway, it's late. I'll check in again before I call it a night.
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Is this vote just because of Vader's suggestion that players with Soviet characters should claim or is this coming from somewhere else?
Intially I extremely town read you for your deep theme analysis of Anastasia, you questioning me helped my read a lot. I noticed you changing your mind on me, switching between me being mafia and town, concluding with me being your top scumread but not wanting to risk skipping d2. If I am scum like you believe I am it is worth pursuing me, feels like you're too scared of moving against me. Instead you went after Earth, saying he needs to scumcase you, to provide reasoning when you're in their poe. Earth is lhf, it's safe to vote, voting me and me being town gets you burned, I slightly feel you know I am town.
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Maybe it's how you play, maybe it's my fundamental failure to read you whiteflame, but you're playing too cautiously to my liking, you're not all in into your convinctions. I get why you scumread me, I do not get why you were not more aggressive in wanting to flip me.
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when questioning me you and lunatic had mirroring thoughts, maybe these are natural seperate reactions to what i am saying but it made me think
i felt pressed in like every direction and i did not want to say the wrong thing and get mislimmed, i spent tuesday in call with friends, but i am in tonight
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pretty likely at least one wolf voted earth would be sueprising af if no mafia voted earth
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So it’s 7-2 or 6-3 right now. Hard to tell. I’m still fine with Banana. Slightly surprised That2 isn’t dead. If it’s 7-2, That2 should be town based on balance.
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We also have 2 town players currently under the Russia history from what I know so I think some pressure on Soviets should potentially claim
I agree, repost of claims from last day:

ADOL: Russia
Savant: Russia
Lunatic: Russia
Earth: Russia
ILikePie: Russia
Banana: Russia
Whiteflame: Soviet
Cerulean: Soviet
That2User: Russian but active in the time of transition, claiming Anastasia

I think the question is going to hang over us and dominate the conversation until its tested. We should hang Whiteflame or Cerulean to disprove it, unless a better argument arises.

(I dub this the red menace theory)
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i see trotsky being mafia for leading the red army then being stalin's enemy
problem with whiteflame is he plays the same as either alignment in my expierence
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Did this fruit do anything? 

Was it a specific fruit?
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Did this fruit do anything? 

Was it a specific fruit?
It simply said I received a fruit, nothing more.
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Any results?
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  1. ILikePie5
  2. Lunatic
  3. That2User - Anastasia - Beloved Princess
  4. whiteflame - Leon Trotsky - ???
  5. Vader
  6. iamanabanana - Ivan III - ???
  7. Mharman
  8. Cerulean
  9. ADreamOfLiberty

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I noticed you changing your mind on me, switching between me being mafia and town, concluding with me being your top scumread but not wanting to risk skipping d2. If I am scum like you believe I am it is worth pursuing me, feels like you're too scared of moving against me.
I’m going to just respond to this because the rest is valid.

I didn’t flip between seeing you as town and scum. When you claimed, I stated my concerns about your claim as you’d given it, then stated my read in that post. I then agreed with others that the risk of lynching you in DP1 given your role claim (which I did say made sense for your character) would result in a lost DP.

If your point is that I lacked confidence in my read on you, fair enough. I’m rarely so confident in a read, particularly in DP1, that I’ll just ignore the risk of that person potentially telling the truth with substantial consequences resulting. Source: literally every game I’ve ever been in. I mistrust my reads, even if I feel they’re based on good information.

Instead you went after Earth, saying he needs to scumcase you, to provide reasoning when you're in their poe. Earth is lhf, it's safe to vote, voting me and me being town gets you burned, I slightly feel you know I am town.
My stated aim was to get his claim, which he’d been withholding. He claimed after I went offline and was lynched while I was asleep. If your takeaway from that choice is that I must have believed you were town, see the above response.
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Any results?
Yep. One of That2User, Banana, and ADOL is scum. I am Dmitri Mendeleev, the Dreamer. Justification is that my character was a super smart chemist who discovered three elements on the periodic table after waking up from a dream about it and writing it down immediately. I can apparently receive results every night as long as I am not visited, and 1 mafia will appear on my results no matter what. Seems kind of OP, but is what it is. 


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Alright good to know.
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Ok so this is interesting.

I am genuinely skeptical of these types of claims, but the every night definetly makes it somewhat less fake claimy. But still I think I have thought of your Justice fakeclaim in Casey's last game on my mind
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Ok so this is interesting.

I am genuinely skeptical of these types of claims, but the every night definetly makes it somewhat less fake claimy. But still I think I have thought of your Justice fakeclaim in Casey's last game on my mind

Definitely fair. But consider there is still several people who haven't posted yet, if any of them claim to have visited me then I am lying. That's beyond ballsy to do as scum. Also the justice claim was meant for me to die but ultimately take down two town before I did. I got extremely lucky that banana was third party in that game, which ended up validating my results, and "town confirming me" but that wasn't even really the plan lol. 
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Hold on? I need to check something but didn't Wylted claim what Savant's character is?
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Nevermind I read Wylted's post wrong
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i see trotsky being mafia for leading the red army then being stalin's enemy
problem with whiteflame is he plays the same as either alignment in my expierence
My PM mentions my role as a socialist revolutionary, my exiles, my role in the October Revolution, my opposition to Stalin and my assassination.

Not sure how that yields “possible mafia” unless you have a very specific idea of what the theme split is. Are the only likely mafia all Stalin’s enemies or is it leading the red army?

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I guess that's a fair strategy that worked out really well for you, but even then wifom you could apply the same logic but take down 3 town.