Call of Duty: Black Ops Mafia DP2

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What interests me about the whole Martry situation is that so many people assumed he didn’t use it. Not that it wasn’t an okay assumption, but it seemed so clear from the info we had that he has used it. 

Multiple people echoed that WyIted was a weird NK and when a Martry dies DP1, it seems more likely that they used their ability than were killed, right? Scum would obviously know that WyIted was NKed, so it’s a possibility that one of the people who assumed he was NKed right out of the gate scum slipped a little.

This line from banana fits that bill a little:
If he used his martyr then wouldn't there be no night kill?
But I could also see that being s genuine question. Maybe there’s some reason that so many people went this way that I’m missing. If so, I’d like to hear it.
I agree that if someone came off as pretty certain that WyIted was NK'd, that would come off as a concerning, particularly if they didn't use a night action (since they'd have no way to know that his role hadn't been used). If they did have a night action and assumed that their success implied that WyIted didn't use his role, that makes more sense to me.

That being said, I don't think anyone falls into this camp. Mharman assumed the NK, but then said he might have sacrificed himself. Cerulean talked about how he might have had incentive to use his role. And you assumed early that he had used his role. Like I said earlier, I don't like that being Banana's first response to the flip since she wouldn't have received any indication that her role had failed, so she should already have had some insight into whether his role was used. That being said, it was just one post and could be genuine, as you say.
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Yes, my role does end the DP if I'm lynched. I didn't really mean semi-confirmable, I just didn't want to say I was fully confirmable and then drop the bomb that we probably wont be able to confirm me. 

I get that no one was leaning heavily on the assumption that WyIted got NKed, but the fact that it was the first thought of people is still weird to me. If someone with a role that kills them dies, it seems most likely that they used the role, right? Is there some reason that everyone thought it was more likely he was NKed that I'm missing? Because until I figure out why so many people went there first, it seems kinda suspicious in itself that it was the first though of some people, even if they didn't lean hard on that or stick to it long.
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Yes, my role does end the DP if I'm lynched. I didn't really mean semi-confirmable, I just didn't want to say I was fully confirmable and then drop the bomb that we probably wont be able to confirm me. 
Just for future reference, I might have advocated for my own lynch in DP1 if I was in your shoes. Early confirmation during a phase where we didn't have any strong scumreads isn't as costly, and there's not a lot of value to keeping your role under wraps.

I get that no one was leaning heavily on the assumption that WyIted got NKed, but the fact that it was the first thought of people is still weird to me. If someone with a role that kills them dies, it seems most likely that they used the role, right? Is there some reason that everyone thought it was more likely he was NKed that I'm missing? Because until I figure out why so many people went there first, it seems kinda suspicious in itself that it was the first though of some people, even if they didn't lean hard on that or stick to it long.
It's something I'm considering as well. I know if I'm reading through the OP, sometimes I'll skim it first, register who was killed, then go back through and figure out the details. Someone might do the same and post in that in-between period with thoughts. Not going to give them the benefit of the doubt for doing that, just saying I can see how someone might do it as town.
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@whiteflame
Just for future reference, I might have advocated for my own lynch in DP1 if I was in your shoes. Early confirmation during a phase where we didn't have any strong scumreads isn't as costly, and there's not a lot of value to keeping your role under wraps.
I would have done that if we were leaning towards no lynch, but we had enough reads I think it was a better choice to lynch. It's easy to look back and say It would have been better to get a confirmation in hindsight, but I think we had enough to work with that I wouldn't have wanted to go with a VTNL, and so it wasn't worth it to get myself lynched.

It's something I'm considering as well. I know if I'm reading through the OP, sometimes I'll skim it first, register who was killed, then go back through and figure out the details. Someone might do the same and post in that in-between period with thoughts. Not going to give them the benefit of the doubt for doing that, just saying I can see how someone might do it as town.
It's a possibility. I didn't get that vibe from anyone, but we'll see.
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I'm fine with this for now. So what happens if you are lynched and use your role? Does the DP end?
Why would town need an ability that prevents them getting lynched lol
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Well with my performance the last few games I know for a fact that I need it
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Why would town need an ability that prevents them getting lynched lol
From my experience, confirmation. Only ever seen a lynchproof townie.
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Plus, it's much worse to have a lynchproof scum. Unless mod puts a vigilante in the game, it disables towns ability to play the game.
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I know I’ve seen it scum sided but I can’t remember the games off the top
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Whats your role again?
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@Lunatic
I know I’ve seen it scum sided but I can’t remember the games off the top
It's new to me, but fair enough.

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@Earth
Whats your role again?
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@whiteflame
I must have been confused because I read your posting thinking you were a RB.
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I must have been confused because I read your posting thinking you were a RB.
I guess I can see that, since I mentioned RBs a few times. My role indicates that at least one RB or manipulation role is in play that it can address. Since WyIted's role would have just RB'd me and everyone else simultaneously, that role doesn't cover it.
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I feel like we’ve given mafia a lot of unnecessary POE this day phase with having people claim to be roleblocked or not. Been kind of waiting to see where this whole thing is going and to see if it was worth it or would pay off in a scum read or if we just gave info away for free
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Who are your scum reads atm? You don’t have to do a. Whole list maybe just your top 2-3
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I'm kinda forced to scum read Mhar and Cerulean. I like banana and Moozer's response to the nightkill and I doubt you are a mafia neighborizer. I am probably going to pressure Cerulean, but who knows.

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Got back late from a performance of Hamilton (loved it!) and crashed hard, so I'm catching back up this morning.

Surprised to see there are no votes posted on anyone, doesn't seem like anyone has strong opinions on who to pursue. At this point, I'm good with pursuing Earth for a claim at minimum. I've noticed none of his responses to me have taken into account what I said earlier about how he should have known that WyIted's role wasn't used, but continued to behave as though he was unsure. I'd also like more insight into his reads because, so far at least, they amount to sussing based on PoE alone (and apparently just shrugging about picking Cerulean in particular to pressure) and I don't really understand what he "likes" about Banana's and Moozer's responses to the NK, particularly as the former has only posted twice and her first post also clashes with what she's said about having used a role.

VTL Earth
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Been talking with whiteflame, earth is also my scum read. I noticed his behavior seems different than late, hes been active and interested, but not really "helpful" and I feel like theres more going on with him behind the scenes. I am trying to feel out who his scum partner is if he is scum, but i'll have to think on that one harder. for now, 

vtl earth 
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I don't hate the Earth pressure, and I'd be willing to pursue a claim but he's not exactly my top scum read. I'd put reads at something more like this:

Earth: Slight town. He's still in my PoE but I liked some of his page 1 posts. He could have easily targeted me for a Lynch after Mhar said my assumption was slightly suspicious

Banana: Slight scum, I still don't really understand why so many people assumed what seems like the less likely scenario, WyIted being the NK, so I'm kinda forced to scum read them a little. Other than that, it's mostly PoE.

Mharman: Slight Scum, same reason as Earth, plus he also assumed WyIted was the NK

Lunatic: Town, I know Whiteflame said not to townread Lunatic due to his role, but in a game with less information than normal, it's something pretty big to go on and I'd say neighborizor is more often a town role

Whiteflame: Null, I've never been good at reading Whiteflame behaviorally enough to provide a read

Cerulean: Null, maybe a slight scum read here, but really I can't get any good behavioral reads, so my slight scum read really comes down to activity and PoE, which isn't enough for me to put them in the scum pile



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Banana: Slight scum, I still don't really understand why so many people assumed what seems like the less likely scenario, WyIted being the NK, so I'm kinda forced to scum read them a little. Other than that, it's mostly PoE.

Mharman: Slight Scum, same reason as Earth, plus he also assumed WyIted was the NK
I'm fine pursuing either or both of them for a claim after Earth, though I have more reason to pursue Banana based on my own reads. The lack of posting makes it somewhat difficult to evaluate what's going on with her, but that first post rubbed me the wrong way.
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Alright I’ll help you out 

VTL Earth
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That’s L-1
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You're at L-1. I'll remove my vote just in case, but consider it on you until you claim.

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Official Vote Count:

Earth (2/4) - Lunatic, Moozer



“Blow it, Mason! NOW!“

—Grigori Weaver
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What the hell are you guys even doing? I am Viktor Reznov. I am the 2x Motion Detector except I can also pick the NP as well as the target. My justification is I helped Mason start a prison uprising, but was killed during it and influenced Mason after my death.
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Oh I forgot. I  targeted WF, He was either visited or did a visit.
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I really feel like you guys are reaching with the whole reaction to the Wylted kill tbh. I did act like I knew less just for reactions. I figured Lunatic knew just from his first response.
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@Earth
Surprised you didn’t react much to whiteflames claim. You are both from the same level btw, though your character is more prominent and one I figured would be in the game.

Unvote.

We know I visited Whiteflame so there’s that for the motion detecting result.
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Earths claim is solid kind of, but What are your thoughts on the game right now? I’m a bit lost in the sauce. I do have a scum read developing but it’s not solid and I don’t feel I have enough to pursue it heavily. Also I don’t have an idea for the partner yet.