Non-Orthodox Jews cannot find a good reason to oppose converting to Christianity.

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If you have questions about Judaism, it makes more sense to ask them than to rely on false premises and a lack of knowledge to make pronouncements.

Unless you are starting with an agenda and preconceived notions and have no real interest in hearing any other opinion besides your own.
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I have an agenda and preconceiced notions.

I also want to comprehend a nonTalmudic reason from Tanakh alone that proves Christ messiah was somehow not Yeshua.
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I have an agenda and preconceiced notions.

I also want to comprehend a nonTalmudic reason from Tanakh alone that proves Christ messiah was somehow not Yeshua.
The Jews were worse off after Jesus.Not what was expected of their Messiah.

Jews generally do not believe that Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies outlined in Jewish scripture. While the New Testament cites Jewish scriptures to support the claim that Jesus was the Messiah, Jews interpret these passages differently and do not consider them fulfilled by Jesus. Many Jewish scholars and theologians view these prophecies as not being fulfilled by Jesus.


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I also want to comprehend a nonTalmudic reason from Tanakh alone that proves Christ messiah was somehow not Yeshua.
well, here are four prophecies (with sources) that are the sine qua non of the future king messiah:

-He must build the ThirdTemple (Ezekiel 37:26-28)
-He must gather all the Jews back to the Land of Israel (Is. 43:5-6)
- He must usher in an era of world peace and bring an end to hatred,oppression, suffering and disease (Is. 2:4)
- He must spread the knowledge of the G-d of Israel, uniting the entire worldas one (Zechariah 14:9)


Jesus didn't fulfill these. Therefore, based on textual verses, he could not have been the promised future king messiah.

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He must usher in an era of world peace and bring an end to hatred,oppression, suffering and disease (Is. 2:4)
- He must spread the knowledge of the G-d of Israel, uniting the entire worldas one (Zechariah 14:9)
How did these 2 not occur
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you are kidding, right?
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No. I see those done by Christianity so far, spread around the world done a ton of good.
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But that's not what the prophecy says. 
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Judaism is a dead religion. 
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I also want to comprehend a nonTalmudic reason from Tanakh alone that proves Christ messiah was somehow not Yeshua.
well, here are four prophecies (with sources) that are the sine qua non of the future king messiah:

-He must build the ThirdTemple (Ezekiel 37:26-28)
-He must gather all the Jews back to the Land of Israel (Is. 43:5-6)
- He must usher in an era of world peace and bring an end to hatred,oppression, suffering and disease (Is. 2:4)
- He must spread the knowledge of the G-d of Israel, uniting the entire worldas one (Zechariah 14:9)


Jesus didn't fulfill these. Therefore, based on textual verses, he could not have been the promised future king messiah.
The Jews killed him before he could finish his mission. They demanded the Romans crucify him for blasphemy.
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The Jews killed him before he could finish his mission. They demanded the Romans crucify him for blasphemy.
you mean that according to the gospels, Jews made a demand of their oppressors, and that demand was for a secular ruler to use a non-sanctioned form of capital punishment to kill someone who hadn't commited the crime of blasphemy uner Jewish law.

IOW, nothing that would make any sense in terms of Judaism.
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The Jews killed him before he could finish his mission. They demanded the Romans crucify him for blasphemy.
you mean that according to the gospels, Jews made a demand of their oppressors, and that demand was for a secular ruler to use a non-sanctioned form of capital punishment to kill someone who hadn't commited the crime of blasphemy uner Jewish law.

IOW, nothing that would make any sense in terms of Judaism
While Jewish religious leaders may have initially viewed Jesus' claims as blasphemy, the Romans were more concerned with political stability and potential threats to their rule. The Romans ultimately condemned Jesus for treason, not blasphemy.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Jewish accusations:
Jewish religious leaders, particularly within the Sanhedrin, likely viewed Jesus' claims to be the Messiah, God's Son, and King of the Jews as blasphemy, violating Jewish religious laws.
Roman concerns:
The Romans, as the occupying power, were primarily concerned with maintaining order and preventing rebellions. They likely saw Jesus' claims and the growing number of his followers as a potential threat to their authority.
The charge of treason:
The Romans' legal system did not have a concept of "blasphemy." However, they did have laws against treason, which could include challenging the authority of the Emperor or inciting rebellion. Jesus' claims to be the King of the Jews were likely interpreted as a challenge to Roman authority and could be used to justify the charge of treason.
Pilate's decision:
While the Jewish leaders may have requested Jesus' execution for religious offenses, Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, ultimately decided on the charge of treason. He likely felt the risk of Jesus' followers potentially destabilizing the region outweighed any religious considerations.

But it was the Jews that demanded Jesus be crucified.
Mark 15:13-15 NIV - “Crucify him!” they shouted.
13 “Crucify him!” they shouted. 14 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”.



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While Jewish religious leaders may have initially viewed Jesus' claims as blasphemy, the Romans were more concerned with political stability and potential threats to their rule. The Romans ultimately condemned Jesus for treason, not blasphemy.
ok, so what?
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Jewish accusations:
Jewish religious leaders, particularly within the Sanhedrin, likely viewed Jesus' claims to be the Messiah, God's Son, and King of the Jews as blasphemy, violating Jewish religious laws.
except that isn't blasphemy under Jewish law. Nothing was violated.

But it was the Jews that demanded Jesus be crucified.
Mark 15:13-15 NIV - “Crucify him!” they shouted.
13 “Crucify him!” they shouted. 14 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate. But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”.
so if one believes the gospels, then the Jews, an oppressed group, somehow told their oppressor what to do.
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so if one believes the gospels, then the Jews, an oppressed group, somehow told their oppressor what to do.
To reject the Gospels is to reject Jesus. That is what the Jews are doing, rejecting the life and work of Jesus in the Gospels.
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Yes, that is what we are doing. We reject Jesus and the gospels. This isn't tough to do considering all the errors in the gospels.
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So the gentiles are left to just guess what code to follow to end up in Heaven while you get a 613 rule strict guide to ensure you go there?

Is that fair?
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So the gentiles are left to just guess what code to follow to end up in Heaven while you get a 613 rule strict guide to ensure you go there?

Is that fair?
You say "so" as if that passes logically from something I said. It doesn't. 
As to your question, non-Jews have clear rules to follow that apply to them.


Follow those 7 and get to heaven. The Jews has to follow so many more to get into heaven. Is that fair?
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No it isnt fair.

Without Christianity how can we put Yhwh first as our God?

We cant even have churches or gentile synagogues.
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Lets say we broke a law in the past, how can we make up for it?
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Without Christianity how can we put Yhwh first as our God?
I'm not sure what you are asking. Putting God first doesn't require any particular religion.

We cant even have churches or gentile synagogues.
why not?
Lets say we broke a law in the past, how can we make up for it?
We can't (that we is everyone) change the past. We can ask forgiveness and try to make amends but we also have to look towards the future, in which we don't break the law.
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For gentiles, only Christianity has Yhwh as G*d. Other gentile religions generally have false deity or nonYhwh at least.

We cannot easily at all become Jews and are discouraged to.
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For gentiles, only Christianity has Yhwh as G*d. Other gentile religions generally have false deity or nonYhwh at least.
Judaism and Christianity share a God but not an idea of god. Jews and Muslims share an idea of god but not a God.

We cannot easily at all become Jews and are discouraged to.
But you don't need to become a Jew according to Judaism.