Non-Orthodox Jews cannot find a good reason to oppose converting to Christianity.

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Also idc what whiteflame says yeah or how this comes across. If any of Wfs grandparents knew what he lets you say and do, whether alive or in afterlife, they would be or must be disgusted.

Catholics deny soul slumber theory. So we don't assume theyre just dead until judgement day if they got allocated heaven either they are still in purgatory are cleansed and up there watching from the pre-true-Heaven place being one floating as celestials with God or are in Hell (Limbo is improbable for them as they didnt die as fetuses or on remote places not ever hearing of Christianity)
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Matthew's genealogy of Jesus traces by listing Jesus as Joseph's, son, whose father was Jacob [Matt 1: 1-16[ etc.  But Luke employs a misdirection. His lineage of Jesus is listed in Luke 3: 23-38, and verse 23 tells us "And Jesus himself began to be about 30 years of age being [as was supposed] the sun of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, which was the sone of...."
But Heli was not Jospeph's father. Jacob was Joseph's father. Heli was Josph's father-in-law, but the father of Mary. Both Heli and Jacob's linage go through David, according to both gospels. But who bothers reading genealogies? Well, when I say I have read the Bible cover to cover, I mean every word, including genealogies.  By the way, it was Jewish custom by rabbinical law to list genealogies by matriarchial order, not patrilineal. Luke is argued to be a gentile by Paul, not a Jew [Colossians 4] Matthew was a Levite, not of the house of Judah, either.
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Why toss around race? I find that a useless argument, too. 22 years ago, the Human Genome Project declared genetically, there is no race. It is a social construct, only, having no DNA basis whatsoever.  When are we going to catch up, anyway?
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Oh yes and we have no feet either
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our language problems may result from using bogus English dictionaries. I use the OED, which actually lists, in its unabridged edition, all definitions of all words, not just a few of some words. It's unabridged edition, which I have, is 20 volumes; occupies an entire shelf of my library.
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And why do you think that anything that happened to Jews is related to denying Jesus? What if a Muslim were to tell you that Pearl Harbor happened because Christians denied Mohammed?

That wouldn't make much sense. Some issue here. The link you are trying to make is illogical and has no basis in reality. 
The 70AD destruction of the temple by the Romans was to put down an insurrection by the Jews against the Roman occupation. But the Holocaust was to punish the Jews labeled as Christ killers.
Unlike the Jews the Muslims honour and respect the prophet Mohammad that God sent after Jesus.
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The Holocaust was a truly evil thing. Catholics were ignored by Hitler and he was shutting down nunneries and disempowering bishops.

Dont ever say it was driven by Christian motives ever again in your life or it is now active severe blasphemy.

I have given you the knowledge. This means from now on you are knowingly sinning.
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The Holocaust was a truly evil thing. Catholics were ignored by Hitler and he was shutting down nunneries and disempowering bishops.

Dont ever say it was driven by Christian motives ever again in your life or it is now active severe blasphemy.

I have given you the knowledge. This means from now on you are knowingly sinning.


The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.
How did Christians and their churches in Germany respond to the Nazi regime and its laws, particularly to the persecution of the Jews? The racialized anti-Jewish Nazi ideology converged with antisemitism that was historically widespread throughout Europe at the time and had deep roots in Christian history. For all too many Christians, traditional interpretations of religious scriptures seemed to support these prejudices.
The attitudes and actions of German Catholics and Protestants during the Nazi era were shaped not only by their religious beliefs, but by other factors as well, including:
Backlash against the Weimar Republic and the political, economic, and social changes in Germany that occurred during the 1920s
Anti-Communism
Nationalism
Resentment toward the international community in the wake of World War I, which Germany lost and for which it was forced to pay heavy reparations
These were some of the reasons why most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, which read:
"We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good."
Despite the open antisemitism of this statement and its linkage between confessional "freedom" and a nationalistic, racialized understanding of morality, many Christians in Germany at the time read this as an affirmation of Christian values.

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No. The Catholics opposed Hitler from the very beginning.

North East of Germany was barely Christian. They had come out of Communism of west vs east germany and were still used to religionlessness. Maybe they said they were religious but tjey didnt really convert and also clibnged strongest to Paganism when Romans originally showed up. They also voted neonazi AfD party the most.

Meanwhile we have Catholics against Hitler. Catholics were also going to get stamped out by Hitler towards the ending and he did everything he could to dismantle them. He was a fake Christian. I do not even care if somehow we say his faith was real because sola fide is a hoax that protestantism invented. Good works matter a lot.
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North East of Germany was barely Christian. They had come out of Communism of west vs east germany and were still used to religionlessness. Maybe they said they were religious but tjey didnt really convert and also clibnged strongest to Paganism when Romans originally showed up. They also voted neonazi AfD party the most.
The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches. The Jewish community in Germany in 1933 was less than 1% of the total population of the country.

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Hitler was born to a practising Catholic mother and was baptised into the Roman Catholic Church.[32] In 1904, acquiescing to his mother's wish, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived.[33] According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler's confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him ... almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him".[
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Reluctant catholic in early life. Keep reading more. See how he changed and converted out of it.
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Remember that Putin is a Christian.
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 Putin is mortally sinning on the daily.
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Reluctant catholic in early life. Keep reading more. See how he changed and converted out of it.
So what was his justification for the Holocaust if Jews were also antichrist?
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He had no true justification at all. He was a pathetic toxic man who wanted agony to everyone and ruined Germany.
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He had no true justification at all. He was a pathetic toxic man who wanted agony to everyone and ruined Germany.
Hitler was not alone.

Antisemitism, the fear or hatred of Jews, existed in Europe for centuries before the Holocaust. The early Christian church portrayed Jews as unwilling to accept the word of God, as agents of the devil, and as murderers of Jesus. (The Vatican renounced these accusations in the 1960s.)
During the Middle Ages, laws restricted Jews and prevented them from owning land or holding public office. Jews were excluded from most occupations. This forced them to make a living through money-lending, trade, and commerce. Jews were accused of causing plagues, of murdering children for religious rituals, and of secretly conspiring to dominate the world. None of these accusations were true.
A new kind of antisemitism emerged in the second half of the 19th century. At its core was the theory that Jews were not merely a religious group but a separate “race.” Antisemites believed Jews were dangerous and threatening because of their “Jewish blood.” They believed that Jews would still be a threat even if a Jewish person converted to Christianity. Antisemitic racism united these new racial theories with older anti-Jewish stereotypes. These ideas gained wide acceptance.
After World War I, the new Nazi Party and its leader, Adolf Hitler, blamed Jews for Germany’s defeat. They claimed that German Jews, a small minority of Germany’s population, had “stabbed Germany in the back.” This was untrue—German Jews fought and died for Germany during the war. Historians cannot trace Hitler’s antisemitism to any specific event or incident. When the Nazi Party took power in Germany in 1933, their antisemitic racism became official government policy.

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Catholics in Germany were the main ones the basement hiding trope comes from. They genuinely were the ones who resisted the Nazis within Germany, the most, until fully blackmailed into conscription. Even then they tried their best.