Premarital sex may not be unbiblical

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Picture a smoking hot chick asking you to fuck her in the mall toilets or out the back of the shops near the dumpsters.  
mmmmmmmmmmm.
And This is like a real fine. Fit looking chick . 
8.5 out of 10
Absolutely stunning.  You chat for a bit then 
She says. 
Lets go fuck  .
Ummmmm,    
AND You reply with. 

▪°•▪•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°°      NO THANK YOU    ▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪•

Thats.


▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°  NO THANK YOU    ▪°•▪°▪°•▪°•▪°▪▪•▪•▪°▪
You look up and say .
Thanks god .
Thanks.

FULL FUCKING STOP


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@Deb-8-a-bull
Enjoy unintended fatherhood and STIs. Also enjoy a charge fiboiblic indecency and a risk of her accusing of abuse later or abusing you, either way. Maybe she brings you to a trap.
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Do you believe you can stop sinning and never sin again?
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@IlDiavolo
Can't say everything consumed in excess. Scripture itself teaches about having excess of life. He came so that they would have life and have it more abundantly.

You can't over consume eating the flesh of Christ and drink his blood. It is as often as you do.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Picture a smoking hot chick asking you to fuck her in the mall toilets or out the back of the shops near the dumpsters

AND You reply with.

▪°•▪•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°•▪°°      NO THANK YOU
I wouldnt say no if she asked nicely.
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Not until Heaven. However, the concept of Saints in Catholicism implies eventually you can become almost immune to at least mortal sin but not venial. Immune means you still want to do it but easily can evade the urge etc. Venial sins, on the other hand, are more inevitable and a standard human is driven to commit both sin types.
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Enjoy unintended fatherhood and STIs. Also enjoy a charge fiboiblic indecency and a risk of her accusing of abuse later or abusing you, either way. Maybe she brings you to a trap.
Maybe she is an assassin.

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fiboiblic indecency
Meant 'of public'

Phone got weird.
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You will likely get mugged. She is with the devil.
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You will likely get mugged. She is with the devil.
If she is cute, then it doesnt matter.
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 She is with the devil.
She is NOT Melania!
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Heaven is not freedom from all desire but I know that Catholicism specifically has ties to Buddhist ideas. Buddhism evolved later as an offshoot of Hinduism that became its own thing. By that time Catholicism and orthodox thinking was already known of in North India way before later colonisation. Many older but not oldest Bodhisattvas, now Buddhas most likely, respects Jesus. You can see them regard him as very enlightened, even Dalai Lama says so.

The desire to do good, helo others, bw weak and receive Gods love strengthening you etc are good desires. In Heaven we are given new bodies and may even be able to enkoy food and drink there.

It is guaranteed we get new bodies as Jesus and Mary are there and went straight up (Mary going straight there is a Catholic idea). There are verses confirming we get new bodies but theyre argued to be abstract by some protestants.
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Some cooler than others. The magic invoked by the bible and the story of Buddha or the volsung is much cooler than clowns who talk about occult satanism
But if you were to live in a world full of Satanism or full of Bible stuff, which would you choose?
Not if it was first.


Are there any Satanists who judged you for your interests?
Does that matter?


Did Ancient Greece judge your interests?
1.) Humans always judge, the balance of evidence says the Greeks and many others in the classical were more rational and fair than people are today; which is not to say they were fans. Most probably thought it was weird and gross but they did not see it as cheating or abhorrent.

2.) They weren't satanist, satanism hadn't been invented.


The Satanic triad is: liberation, knowledge, power.
That's nice, let's start with the knowledge that satan doesn't exist, magic doesn't exist, reality exists and it is not changed by thought alone.


You can say Satanism was born out of Bible, but it was born to defeat the Bible.
Satanism is on the soccer pitch shooting on its own goal and saying "actually the team with the most own goals wins".

That's not beating soccer, that's acting a fool on the field made by soccer fans. It will never beat soccer because it will always be on a soccer field.


But polytheism existed before Christianity
Polytheism is a category of religion. Satanism did not exist before christianity and the only thing it has to do with pre-christian religion is the same kind of bastardization that it does to christian doctrine.


and good example of that is ancient Greece which had more freedom during its time than Christianity did 1000 years later.
The world is more than religion. Religion is a tumor which can take over fields of philosophy, but not always.

Any enlightenment or freedom the ancients had, it was no thanks to the priests of Zeus or Jupiter (or even Athena). Instead thank Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, and hundreds more in that vein.

Furthermore don't lose sight of two things when comparing the classical period to modern cultures:
1.) Most social structures arose from random chance and ossified as tradition and nurture. Their presence or lack is not necessarily connected with any other development. If you went back in time and asked a tolerant ancient greek why they don't want to execute homosexuals or zoosexuals they would most likely answer "why would I want to in the first place?"

That the stories of the greek religion left no room for blanket condemnation is an accident of history, nothing more.


2.) Some parts of their culture were more rational or liberal, not all. Though they are the precursors of modern western civilization, their various cultures would still be alien to us in many ways.

People who know history know it was a very good thing they won. They may have slavery and blood sport and pederasty, but the other guy was sacrificing children to their evil gods.

The real moral of the story is: Religion is not a reliable guide.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
They weren't satanist
Their Gods were Satanic. Sinners and pleasure lovers.


That's nice, let's start with the knowledge that satan doesn't exist
But Satanists do exist.

The world is more than religion. Religion is a tumor which can take over fields of philosophy, but not always
Well, you would prefer religion which supports much more freedom over one which doesnt?

Religion affects people and their behavior.
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Heaven is not freedom from all desire but I know that Catholicism specifically has ties to Buddhist ideas. Buddhism evolved later as an offshoot of Hinduism that became its own thing. By that time Catholicism and orthodox thinking was already known of in North India way before later colonisation.
Sir, you're five hundred years off.

Buddhism is 500 BC, not AD.


You can see them regard him as very enlightened, even Dalai Lama says so.
Yes, but that's not because they see him as god. They see him as one of them. The order of events allows them to claim that Jesus learned dharma in his early adulthood, the inverse flow of ideas to what you just suggested is possible though lacking convincing evidence besides the similarity in some ideas.


In Heaven we are given new bodies and may even be able to enkoy food and drink there.
May? Are you drowning in maybes?

If the reward of heaven is to indulge in desires then the evil is not in urges but urges that require repression.

So it seems that you do not know if you wish to be free of your urges either.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Humans always judge, the balance of evidence says the Greeks and many others in the classical were more rational and fair than people are today; which is not to say they were fans
Well, Christianity punished homosexuality and bestiality with death, from the start. It actually took over 2000 years to just return it to normal and stop more damage. So when it comes to freedom, Christianity isnt for freedom. In fact, their teachings were never about greatest individual freedom.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It is not evil. You are confused on what this test is about.
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I did mistake the origin as AD not BC but the rest still standa.
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They weren't satanist
Their Gods were Satanic. Sinners and pleasure lovers.
Ayn Rand wrote a book called "the virtue of selfishness"

That was one of the worst branding decisions in history. When people are using a word as a cart for their entire conceptual framework's idea of evil, you don't go trying to commandeer that cart as your ideal.

I understand what she was saying, I understand what you're saying, that they have it all wrong and that what they call evil isn't; but you still are going to lose on branding.

She had a different philosophy from them entirely. She never had to use the word "selfish", she needed to say that is a word that only has significance in their incomplete philosophy.


I am giving you the benefit of the doubt (barely) that you and these so called satanist have an idea that pleasure is good and should be indulged in save for compelling moral or practical reasons to abstain.

I can agree to that.

I will never call that "sin" or "satanism".

Let those who condemn give their reasons, use their labels, I won't validate their framework.


Furthermore their gods, the gods of the ancient Greeks, were not always ideals to live up to but representations of vast abstractions in nature and society. They had their good pleasure loving gods and they had plenty of gods who did terrible things seeking pleasure or revenge or any number of human temptations.

Zeus was a rapist. Thor was a rapist.

They were worshiped for their power and the fact that they represented a very real force in humanity, they were not idolized for their morality.


That's nice, let's start with the knowledge that satan doesn't exist
But Satanists do exist.
and I don't identify with people who are defined by believing in things that don't exist.


The world is more than religion. Religion is a tumor which can take over fields of philosophy, but not always
Well, you would prefer religion which supports much more freedom over one which doesnt?
Sure, but I doubt satanism is one of those. More like hedonism with the admixture of mysticism and probably above average concentration of sociopaths.

Freedom is freedom from other human beings. From their aggression, their lies, the consequences of their irrationality.

A religion that teaches people to be aggressive and dishonest in the pursuit of power and pleasure is only freedom for the most cunning or strongest.

If you're about to say "but that's not what satanism is!"

Well I don't really care what sect or version you believe in, the general theme will attract people looking for that. Satanism isn't going anywhere. It will always be a tiny parasite. If Christianity shrinks, it will shrink.

There is no reason for me to think too hard about it at all.
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Sure, but I doubt satanism is one of those.
One of the core teachings in the Temple of the ascending flame (satanic and polytheist temple) is individual autonomy.

Most Satanists arent any evil people. They just really like their freedom.

So while many atheists are against freedom, and almost all Christians are against freedom, the Satanists are special in a way that they cannot logically be against freedom.

Satanism, which is a religion which has individual autonomy at its core, in this sense is different from many other religions. It can be compared to ancient Greeks who believed in more liberty than Christians ever will.

So if a religion is necessary, and it is, surely you would prefer people follow one which just happens to agree with your goal of greatest freedom. Christians dont support freedom. They support Christianity alone.
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"LaVey saw Satan as a symbol of the individual's own vitality, thus representing an autonomous power within, and a representation of personal liberty and individualism."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVeyan_Satanism
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LaVey saw Satan as a symbol of the individual's own vitality, thus representing an autonomous power within, and a representation of personal liberty and individualism.
ADOL did not.
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ADOL did not.
Okey. But Satanists are much more likely to support freedom than Christians are. Christians dont accept anyone, not even other Christians. Plenty of variations of Christianity groups and they all hate each other.
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I did hypothetical say a young woman, and not a young girl.

And "pedo" is a separate sound construct relative to a different set of circumstances.

And |I know from experience that somewhat more sexually progressive RC woman have been around for quite a while.

Where were you converted Ratman?..At some Catholic fundamentalist commune in the backwoods somewhere.

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Plenty of variations of Christianity groups and they all hate each other.
It's easy to see the flaws of people with power. Every piece of nonsense is played out.

That doesn't mean those without power would do better.


Same is true of humans vs non-humans. Just because they can't launch a genocide, doesn't mean they wouldn't. Their instincts are no more noble than ours.

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I do not appreciate the tone you are taking. This is a final warning.

Speak with respect to me and my faith or get blocked.
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It's easy to see the flaws of people with power. Every piece of nonsense is played out.
Well, Satanism would only have two possible variations:
1. Individual liberty for all
2. Struggle for individual power

Christianity only has number 2 there. Number 1 not possible for Christians. There is just no way Satanism achieves less liberty than Christianity, as the latter doesnt achieve almost any liberty when applied.
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Just because they can't launch a genocide, doesn't mean they wouldn't.
Some Christians have committed many genocides. They very much wiped out polytheism and kept burning witches for 1000 of years until almost all knowledge of old ancient magic was lost.
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Remember that Hitler gave out belt buckles to his troops that said, " God Is With Us".
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Number 1 not possible for Christians.
Of course it is. They just need to pick the right excuses, and they have many times.

Jesus was a pacifist, and anyone who follows him into pacifism is no obstruction to achieving liberty (though they don't help either).