Jet Fighters Mafia - DP1

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@ILikePie5
I doubt I am stealth. It's a WW2 era plane so no, and since the game is so small I think it's smart from me to deviate from my normal meta and go ahead and claim miller.

I am miller and I soft claimed my her here.
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unvote, vtl that2 for soft claim
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@Lunatic
noted. Like I’ll said, I’ll sleep on somethings, and take a fresh look at the DP in the morning
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@Mikal
because Kanye’s new song told me to hate Jews. Also in town locked. Luna can confirm.

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That's my point though, theres a list of roles that can "Only be town" "only be scum" and "Could be both". Why not just claim from the "can only be town" list? I mean you can say he is doing to for wifom reasoning, but he didn't have to purposely claim a scummy role from the non distinct list for literally no reason. Scum whiteflame could have made just about any of the town claims work, so why purposely shoot himself in the foot. If the only answer is wifom manipulation, I don't think that's a strong enough reason to suspect him when that same wifom reasoning is just as likely to work against him
The answer is probability. In a role madness game, you have 5 time. Let’s say 2 of those have pure town roles, that’s 2/9 possible roles. He has 7 town roles he could claim, but odds are bad. Compare that to the town/mafia list. Advantage of that list is that if scum have it, town don’t have it, so he could be truly a scum JOAT. Plus the list is far bigger so easier to fake claim
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I was planning a reply to that post didn't mean to just tag and quote but I couldn't come up with anything clever so tried and failed to abandon it
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@WyIted
I doubt I am stealth. It's a WW2 era plane so no, and since the game is so small I think it's smart from me to deviate from my normal meta and go ahead and claim miller.

I am miller and I soft claimed my her here.
What plane is miller and why?
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Might as well say ur character and justification 
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I thought it was 7 players otherwise I wouldn't have claimed. My bad
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@Mharman
Are you a stealth jet or not?
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@ILikePie5
That means I have to look at my PM a second time. Fine though.
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@ILikePie5
I trust behavioral reads more than probability assessments. I think the big question on Whiteflame is solely revolved around whether he would claim like this as scum.
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@ILikePie5
Would abilities that are part of the JOAT be the same for both scum and town?
Town JOAT can have any ability town can have. Scum JOAT can have any ability that scum can have. 

In addition, a JOAT can have an ability that another player has.
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@ILikePie5
I said I was not a stealth jet.
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See yall in the morn 
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I am a "Me 262"

Justification is weak. Apparently Bullish thinks Nazis were the bad guys in WW2 and that's the justification. Oh yeah that's a Nazi jet.
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The answer is probability. In a role madness game, you have 5 time.
What does 5 time mean

Let’s say 2 of those have pure town roles, that’s 2/9 possible roles. He has 7 town roles he could claim, but odds are bad. Compare that to the town/mafia list. Advantage of that list is that if scum have it, town don’t have it, so he could be truly a scum JOAT. Plus the list is far bigger so easier to fake claim
Bigger list, means less chance of him getting caught on a more "townie" sounding role though. Again he didn't have to claim, I dont think anyone was pushing for his role, just character. There's a ton of more townie sounding roles on that list than JOAT, and I don't think chances are super high he would get CC'ed by most of them. Maybe with cop or doctor, assuming you don't think bullish randomized it like he said. 
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@Mharman
I said I was not a stealth jet.

Ok I need to sleep, I clearly can’t read
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@Mikal
Also I am not mentioning the mistake until it’s relevant. Will detract from behavioral reads and want to to use it as additive confirmation in late game
I have the same mistake happen to me. I wonder if I saw your role and you saw mine. If you character claim and I saw yours I can confirm you.
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@Lunatic
What does 5 time mean
5 town.

Bigger list, means less chance of him getting caught on a more "townie" sounding role though. Again he didn't have to claim, I dont think anyone was pushing for his role, just character. There's a ton of more townie sounding roles on that list than JOAT, and I don't think chances are super high he would get CC'ed by most of them. Maybe with cop or doctor, assuming you don't think bullish randomized it like he said.
Thats true, my working theory is that if he’s scum, he told the truth about his role being JOAT. Probably told the truth about his abilities too. Anyways, more consideration tomorrow
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Official Vote Count

that2 (1/5) - lunatic, 
whiteflame (2/5) - Mikal, that2, 

Not voting: pie, whiteflame, WyIted, Moozer, Mharman, banana

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1. ILikePie5: Non Stealth
2. whiteflame: J-36 - JOAT: 1x Commuter, 1x Manip, 1x..
3. Lunatic: Non Stealth
4. WyIted: ME262 - Miller
5. Moozer325: Non Stealth
6. That2User
7. iamanabanana: F-16 - ??
8. Mikal
9. Mharman: Non Stealth

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@ILikePie5
Thats true, my working theory is that if he’s scum, he told the truth about his role being JOAT. Probably told the truth about his abilities too. Anyways, more consideration tomorrow
It's possible I just don't see it as being extremely likely knowing whiteflame, also having played scum succesfully with him a few times recently and witnessing different behavior from him. Small chance I am wrong here, but for now he's not someone I'd consider lynching unless his behavior started standing out. 
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So lynch Wylted unless we find a better lynch. Millers make it so much easier
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@Lunatic
It's possible I just don't see it as being extremely likely knowing whiteflame, also having played scum succesfully with him a few times recently and witnessing different behavior from him. Small chance I am wrong here, but for now he's not someone I'd consider lynching unless his behavior started standing out. 

Theme wise he’s also an outlier so far; we’ll see where that goes though. I’ll defer to you on the behavior. I can never read is behavior one way or the other anyways.
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@That2User
VTL That2

Are you a stealth jet or not
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Theme wise he’s also an outlier so far; we’ll see where that goes though. I’ll defer to you on the behavior. I can never read is behavior one way or the other anyways.
Props to you for making heads or tails of a bullish theme lol. I, like Mikal, am scarred from that computer mafia he hosted. lmao
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Millers are on the only town list so I'm good. Meanwhile.

VTL Whiteflame.
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@Lunatic
Holy shit reading that endgame brought back so many memories. Btw, you’re a cunt nugget 🤡
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MOD KILL ACTIVATE