Jet Fighters Mafia - DP1

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Car issue’s largely resolved. Going to eat something and then catch up again.
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hooray for the shitbox lol
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@Mharman
hooray for the shitbox lol
*sigh* hooray indeed
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I mean if she did this as town this is actually beyond fucking wild. She has to die and there is no world where I don’t lynch her. I’m just stuck trying to find the motivation and the only logical motivation is theme related unless they are just fake claiming to fake claim and in that case, this is some superdud level of play 
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@Mikal
you should see two games ago. You'll blow a gasket lol
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@Mikal
I mean if she did this as town this is actually beyond fucking wild. She has to die and there is no world where I don’t lynch her. I’m just stuck trying to find the motivation and the only logical motivation is theme related unless they are just fake claiming to fake claim and in that case, this is some superdud level of play 
I told her a million times to just tell the truth as town. If she’s town, she threw (again). 
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If she’s town the game is cooked. 

If she flow scum - I think whiteflame is town 
If she flips town - I think whiteflame is scum. 
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But fully agree with your assessment about whiteflame and the lack of incentive and need to fake claim. 
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@That2User
...alright then. Seems like this DP at least will be pretty straightforward. I didn't like how readily That2 jumped on my wagon from the outset with little to no reason or that initial post (has it just become common practice among a set of players to just assert they are town?), but both could have been null behaviors. Claiming what appears to be a very common and prominent jet fighter and getting CC'd for it trumps everything.

VTL That2

Also, since I'm back and I've eaten a meal, some more thoughts on the remaining players I didn't cover:

Pie - Slight town read. Much of his behavior is null, but the town lean comes from his long back-and-forth with Luna which comes off as town vs. town. I initially didn't know how to read the decision to sheep Mikal, but I just don't see scum Pie taking a backseat voluntarily. Just not his style. I know he likes to scumhunt as town, but I can see him taking a different tack after the Russian Mafia game.

Luna - Slight town read. Again, it's mainly due to this back-and-forth. He does know my scum play better than most so it makes sense that he's taking this stance and arguing this way, all comes off as pretty straightforward town to me behaviorally.

Moozer - He mentioned the PM issue and there's just not a whole lot I can do with that without learning more. Null for now.

Mharman - He's chimed in a few times and provided varying sets of reads that jumped all over the place with That2's CC. Not much I can make of it right now. Null.

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That is 4/5. 

Going to unvote to get use out of the dp until we are ready to end 

Unvote 
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I want to at least hear their response. They are dying but I want to try and understand the logic of fake claiming in case this just dumb as fuck play as town. Pie seems to think they are capable of playing that poorly 
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Sorry I haven't been active enough, it's been a busy day. I'm reading the DP now, will post thoughts in a minute.
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@Mikal
You think he would randomize roles when all the roles have a justification? He certainly randomized affiliation distribution and role distribution. He would not promise me town but told me if I slotted mafia he would just replace me. That’s how he sold me on playing.
I actually believe you are a big enough piece of shit to not only make this deal but to make it public so I have you in my town slot. 

This isn't an insult just a factual statement on my view of the ethical framework you operate inside of 

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Unvote VTL Lunatic.
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Okay just read an extra page

Unvote VTL that2

I would give him a chance seeing as how many of us received two characters and roles in our PM but disappearing right away is a confession
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Once Luna reads and that gives a justification, I feel solid enough to end the DP

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That is 4/5 

Wait before we hammer. 
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Okay caught up. 

If he wanted to give an explanation it would have happened immediately. 

If I slipped up and got two characters and did that I would immediately look in my PM to figure WTF is going on and then just explain myself, not fall off the face of the earth immediately after a claim.


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I’m caught up… wow lol.

If that2 is town ima facepalm so hard, because she just did the same thing as town in Russian mafia. But yeah it’s more likely she is just scum and bad at fake claiming. In serial killers mafia she nearly claimed Ted bundy off the rip. Luckily the actual Ted bundy claimed before she could but I was like seriously? You don’t think the most widely know and popular serial killer is in the game? She has a tendency to give up very easily as mafia and seems just completely disinterested in a game when she lands scum, which is unfortunate but probably the straightforward reason why she fake claimed. I doubt you get an answer from her Mikal.
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VTL user 

Hammering since both you and pie think the same. 
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I actually believe you are a big enough piece of shit to not only make this deal but to make it public so I have you in my town slot. 
This isn't an insult just a factual statement on my view of the ethical framework you operate inside of 
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Unvote VTL Lunatic.
I said I wasn’t going to dignify that argument for town confirming him lol. I town read him for other reasons, but that reason is completely null to me. I actually think Mikal would still have played as scum even despite all this just to use that wifom argument against me so I’m definitely not gonna clear him for it. 
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Vtl that2user for being CCed
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I guess my reads will have to come tomorrow 

As far as Whiteflame’s fake claim skills go… I’m gonna side with Mikal on that argument.

thinking between Whiteflame/Pie/Moozer still
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It’s twilight 

You can still post reads 
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Bet
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I’ll try to be brief so I can type it out quick 
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@Mikal
, this is some superdud level of play 
Btw not sure if this is a jab at supadudz but he has also gotten much better at mafia lol
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@Lunatic
taking your word. 

The last time I remember playing with super. He cced the town doc as mafia and got lynched lol. 

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@Mikal
The roles that exist in the game were chosen by me.
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Mikal (town)

-Ccing That2, has little reason to do that as town
-Has some interesting mess up from Bullish that I'd think scum would keep to themselves (could be risky play for town cred)
- Pushing for Whiteflame at game start based on the idea that he's bad at fake claiming (I agree- also, not sure Mikal does this as scum)
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@Bullish
how long does twilight last?