If I continue to scumread Pie, I don't think it needs to be part of the scumread. There's other reasons
I still don't like Whiteflame's claim btw
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@WyIted
I townread you, but that's just DP1 behavioral reads. It's not enough for me to blindly trust you. IfIt's not blind trust if you town read him
Moozer says weird shit but that is dumb logic.
Doesn't really help me tho because I said last DP I wanted to go for one of Whiteflame/Pie/Moozer DP2, and I still feel that way
Lemme check if vanilla is in the list of roles hold on. I do recall BUllish having a definiton of rolemadness that allows for a vanilla or two, but I don't remember if vanilla is on the list
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@ILikePie5
Who do you trust more? They guy that basically got That2 lynched with the Stealth/Non Stealth or the guy that townread her based on the logic of “she would never do that as scum” aka WIFOM
I don't give a shit either way tbh
I fully buy that... That2 is unobservant enough to do that with any scum partner. I didn't feel like she had pressure I just felt like she randomly claimed out of nowhere and for no reason. I am not rereading the DP so I will take your word that you influenced that but I could see you influencing that, her having good directions on how to respond and then completely fucking it up anyway.
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@Mharman
Would you rather get the claim first from the guy who:
- Has atrocious logic, said he was gonna sheep but ope nevermind (I never seen Pie say he was going to sheep before anyway), and has followed what everyone else has been doing all game long
I don't know.if he felt like he wanted to be lazy and devote more time to important shit like work or getting pussy I could see him wanting to get a good town read and sheeping.
Maybe he has that intention in mind but then figured out that he couldn't get pussy so he's like "fuck it I guess I have time now and won't sheep"
OR
- the guy whose claim you can weigh based on the fact that he said he was considering outing last DP, and will [air with someone's results
Bro are you the cop and just reluctant to claim for that? Nobody cares. Obviously there is a cop in the game if you are just claim it so everyone else can town read you and we can catch the final scum.
Just rereading last DPs vote count, mharman's vote wasn't on scum so it's fair to have him vote first. Also didn't even check the NK yet LOL.
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@Mharman
Would a town double voter's double vote show up in vote counts?
No.
- rolemad (the majority of players have roles)
The following roles can be either town or mafia
- Vanilla/goon
Both of these are from the sign-ups thread. That tracks with Moozer's claim
Mikal's first time playing in a while, I would have held off making him the NK as long as possible. Does nobody make decisions good for the game? Is there no meta strategy? Just kill the guy who is strongest town read?
You could still paint him as scum if you are scum. He is shifty enough and clever enough to fake a CC like that. He is a high risk high reward person like myself.
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@WyIted
Just rereading last DPs vote count, mharman's vote wasn't on scum
That was because I wanted to post some reads before the DP ends. I would've hammered after posting them if someone else hadn't
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@Mharman
Why are you waiting for pie?
I understand the ego thing because he tends to bring that out in people but really who gives a shit? Don't you have better things to do than sit here and hitting refresh until he claims so you can just be second?
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@WyIted
The Mikal NK is one of the things I have against Whiteflame. I don't think he'd be afraid to that as scum, I'd think he'd notice he's in a rough spot and might as well play to not caring who susses him and hope town spares him. I call the tactic "roll for deception and pray to RNGesus"
Pie said he has to wait until 11 CSat because he is getting laid. Are you getting laid? What's your excuse to wait?
I town read you I just think you get nothing from waiting
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@WyIted
we're post going at 11cst 12 est
the reason is for a minmax on the off chance Pie's claim is in territory of what I could reasonably CC, Pie's argument is the same for me
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@WyIted
I claimed in the same post I suggested the mass claim in lol
*we're both going
in the mean time I'm looking at other stuff.
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@Mharman
I seriously wanted to play with Mikal a while and hopefully get him to enjoy the game here again so he participates in more. I suspect pie would also keep him around and so would lunatic. I am more on the fence about whiteflame but lean towards thinking he would keep him around.
Just an analysis of the psychology of the NK choice leaves a slim scum pool which you are in but behaviorally you feel town and NK analysis is less reliable than behavior
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@Lunatic
Oh okay see I just need to be told things
Unvote
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@WyIted
I seriously wanted to play with Mikal
I thought you hated him based on things said last day phase and one other time you ranted to me about him lol. Figured you’d have incentive to get him out if anyone did
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@Mharman
Based on POE we already should know one of you two is the cop anyway lol mafia would be dumb to CC that
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@WyIted
I guess it's also worth noting that Mikal was basically town confirmed, so maybe scum might as well hope he was investigative. Also he said he knew something about Bullish screwing up, so it makes sense to silence him
so now that I think about it maybe it doesn't point to whiteflame as much as I think.
I still think his claim might be the "roll for deception and pray to RNGesus" category, 1. he was pressured early 2. bus driver would go along with that mentality
bus driver certainly doesn't do him any favors regardless
I wonder if we have a Tvellalott throwback on our hands
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@whiteflame
^^^
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@Lunatic
I have less feelings than before.
It's not personal though. For example me and him both wanted air max elected here and worked together.
Whether I like him or respect him or not is independent of whether or not he is good for the game and apparently he is a pretty lovable guy as evidence by multiple people such as you being friendly with him off site and even evidence by when DDO came together for him in some tough times, so getting him back in the game would probably go a long way towards saving the game here.
the decision to roleblock me from Whiteflame's POV is the most reasonable thing about him claim
his claim*
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@WyIted
I kind of had similar feelings towards drafterman back in the day lol. Never really liked the guy but thought he was good for mafia and activity took a noticeable dip after he left. Wish I was able to see eye to eye with him more.
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@ILikePie5
@Mharman
T minus 20 minutes
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@Mharman
It’s late and I’m fading fast. May not stay awake until you and Pie claim, but I’ll pick back up in the morning.
I appreciate the ping, not a lot to respond with. I know my claim is sus and it makes sense that it would be. As for why Mikal was picked, seems like he was widely townread and if scum had any inkling that he was an investigative role, he was a pretty obvious target.
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@Lunatic
I don't think I ever stated this publicly before but also not of fan of YYW. He seems unnecessarily cruel. Never had any run ins with him though so I kept my mouth shut. Still, overall I think he improves the conversation when he's around
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@Lunatic
T minus 20 minutes
I’m ready
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@Mharman
what could you possibly need to do in the next 10-15 that prevents this. You're already playing mafia rn.Sure. midnight for me but whatever
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