Jet Fighters Mafia - DP2

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At this point it’s less about who I want to claim first, it’s about how resistant you were to claim anything but last. There’s so much information out there now that I don’t really give a shit who goes first, (though if I had to choose I’d have pie claim first).

Even though I initially townread you, it’s still blind trust because you gave no indication as to why you needed to claim last. If you’re leading the claims like that then you’re leaning in the direction of getting more information. But if you’re not willing to claim yourself until everyone else has, that feels like you want information for scum purposes, not to share it with everyone. 

I town read you less and less as this whole thing goes on.
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If Mharman is no online, I’m not posting btw, jfyi
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I am the Harrier Jump Jet. Because my ability to take off vertically allows me to operate without a carrier, I am the Hider. I think Bullish's logic is based on the fact that I'm not with the other aircraft on the carrier, but launching from elsewhere, presumably a spot that is harder to find.

1. I'll admit that the justification may be a little stretchy on Bullish's part- this was an additional reason I looked at Banana's claim favorably in Post #69, a reason that I chose to hide until now.

2. In DP1, I had said Whiteflame's claim was a little, but then mega sus. My thought process here was basically "JOAT? And with Commuter? That's a little sus. WAIT a minute. I have hider- this could be a partial CC. Okay, his claim is mega sus actually."

3. I had an ulterior motive for saying I wanted to get my reads out in case I died in the night. The idea was it'd be coming from a place of me fearing that I would die at the night, hinting that I had an important PR. I'd be drawing the NK to myself, and then I'd have a chance at hiding from it, preventing the NK. I felt this would be helpful because I could ask if someone protected me last night, and if not, it could bait Whiteflame into claiming he used to the commuter to explain the NK in the event he was scum. This would completely screw him over in that event, since he'd be outed on the fact that he didn't use his most useful JOAT role. On top of this, It'd spare someone with a role that is actually important from being nightkilled. Looking back, I think I was a little too subtle in pretending to be afraid of an NK for scum to notice, but that was my idea.

4. Earlier I said in this DP that I had considered fullclaiming last DP. This is because of the aforementioned potential soft CC with Whiteflame. I decided not to because A) I wanted to do the plan I mentioned in Point #3 and B) I felt there was value in me not getting nightkilled if Pie or Moozer is the other scum. Yes, both of those reasons, for clarification.

5. If Whiteflame is telling the truth about his night action, I could not have possibly committed the night kill. If he's lying, he probably scum since, given his claimed JOAT roles, there is no planet on which he should use the commuter or bus driver over roleblock as town. I believe this town confirms me.

6. Because I hid, Lunatic's results make sense. Similar to point #5, although not as strong.

Finally, I will say that I chose to hide behind Pie. I didn't care about dying if Whiteflame is scum because of the partial CC (and again if he's scum and targets me he's screwed anyway based on what I said in point #3), but on the off chance Pie or Moozer was scum, I felt hiding behind one of them was best. I chose Pie bc I felt he was slightly scummier than Moozer.

There you go. Many reasons to townread me.
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I don't think I ever stated this publicly before but also not of fan of YYW. He seems unnecessarily cruel. Never had any run ins with him though so I kept my mouth shut. Still, overall I think he improves the conversation when he's around
No one starts off liking YYW. You either get used to him or just hate him in perpetuity lol
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I am F-2 and the Odd Night Cop. Justification is that the F-2 was the first jet to incorporate an AESA radar, which allowed for better detection of enemies. I win with Town.

I investigated Moozer last night, and he was innocent. I chose him because of my noob theory, and I townread Banana, so Moozer was left. Also cause Moozer is an easy mislynch.
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Interesting 
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I’m noticing a theme that the justifications are all pretty shaky this game

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@ILikePie5
Moozer seems innocent; you're innocent as well and cop.

Down to lynch Whiteflame this DP then. I guess we should briefly consider if your role was messed with then.\

This is a great point in Wylted's favor too, if anyone is hesitant on him
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1. ILikePie5 - F-2 - Odd Night Cop
2. whiteflame - J-36 - JOAT: 1x Commuter, 2x RB, 1x BD
3. Lunatic - Saab 37 Viggen: 1x Journalist
4. WyIted - ME262 - Miller
5. Moozer325 - HAL Tejas - Vanilla
6. iamanabanana - F-16 - 1x Doublevoter
7. Mharman - AV-8B Harrier - Hider


Mikal - MIG-21 - Follower
That2User - F117 Nighthawk - Godfather

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@ILikePie5
for clarification, I think it would be prudent to think about if your role was messed with... doesn't seem likely I'll stray away from lynching Whiteflame at the end of this
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@Mharman
Moozer seems innocent; you're innocent as well and cop.
We got the Godfather. Plus Moozer claimed Vanilla and Bullish’s definition of rolemad includes a Vanilla. Moozer is basically lock in my eyes.

Down to lynch Whiteflame this DP then. I guess we should briefly consider if your role was messed with then.\

This is a great point in Wylted's favor too, if anyone is hesitant on him
Wylted is also basically a lock in my eyes. Does he have the balls to claim it anyways? Yes. But I don’t think so.
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@Lunatic
I am the Saab 37 Viggen, the 1x journalist. Basically because I was one of the first jets with updated computer systems to aid the pilot in combat tasks, I get enhanced information and am therefore the journalist.
What kind of computer systems are we talking here?
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Okay, that’s an okay claim by Pie, I’ll take it for now. He generally goes in my town pile. I didn’t like that he held off claiming for so long, but it’s on point for his play style so it wasn’t a surprise.

I also townread him behaviorally for his attitude towards That2 in DP1 as stated before. His role is also expected in this game and he hasn’t really been CCed so that’s good enough for me.
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I don't regret doing this minmax with you btw. Pleasure doing business with you Pie.
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I don't regret doing this minmax with you btw. Pleasure doing business with you Pie.
Should’ve been obvious I was the Cop
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I felt there was an offchance you were scum and worried I was the cop, and that the cop was somewhere else in the setup and didn't claim it. I would mean that someone had cop on top of their role, but I felt that, although small, it was a large enough chance for me to go with it.
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Wylted is also basically a lock in my eyes. Does he have the balls to claim it anyways? Yes. But I don’t think so.
I’m not so sure.  A miller/ cop/ godfather seems very convienent. And if mafia had a godfather I think it would be safe for them to assume their was a cop, meaning miller was naturally a good claim. I was actually gonna take you up on your policy to lynch all millers this game since we started of well being able to afford it, and for me Wylted will always be a question going into the end game. I also sensed paranoia from
Him when he mentioned me and Mikal steam rolling the game early on dp1, and sensed it again later when he voted me after it was revealed why Mikal thought he should be town confirmed and his reaction was basically like “this is bullsh1t” which would make sense combined with frustration of having his scum partner just having been CCed just to find out town might have an edge to an external factor, that whole thing read like Wylted was complaining. If he was town I don’t think he would have been frustrated like that.


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I felt there was an offchance you were scum and worried I was the cop, and that the cop was somewhere else in the setup and didn't claim it. I would mean that someone had cop on top of their role, but I felt that, although small, it was a large enough chance for me to go with it.
Bruh
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Anyways Wylted was who I was scum reading coming into the game. Also a bit extra paranoid about him after the whole discussion of “who would kill him, we all love Mikal and want him to stick around!” Bs after he had just basically called Mikal a piece of sh1t last day phase lol.

I feel like he was an obvious person who would want to get rid of him external of the idea that Mikal was basically town locked after cc’ing that2user.
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I’m not so sure.  A miller/ cop/ godfather seems very convienent. And if mafia had a godfather I think it would be safe for them to assume their was a cop, meaning miller was naturally a good claim.
But would Wylted just yolo claim it? Maybe. 

I was actually gonna take you up on your policy to lynch all millers this game since we started of well being able to afford it, and for me Wylted will always be a question going into the end game. I also sensed paranoia from
Him when he mentioned me and Mikal steam rolling the game early on dp1, and sensed it again later when he voted me after it was revealed why Mikal thought he should be town confirmed and his reaction was basically like “this is bullsh1t” which would make sense combined with frustration of having his scum partner just having been CCed just to find out town might have an edge to an external factor, that whole thing read like Wylted was complaining. If he was town I don’t think he would have been frustrated like that.
Idt Wylted would care. Frustration is something that doesn’t come by often for em especially in mafia
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oh hey, if you need any more reason to believe I'm town... I would just guess you were the cop if I were mafia and then I wouldn't go through with all of this

anyway, why is Whiteflame middle of the pack for you?
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@Lunatic
I want to lynch Whiteflame. If he flips town, it makes Mharman more likely to be town (he could still be a Strongman technically). I’m basically the de facto NK tonight anyways, and it’s going to succeed with no protective roles. At the very least, you can replace me we Mharman in the town block.

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oh hey, if you need any more reason to believe I'm town... I would just guess you were the cop if I were mafia and then I wouldn't go through with all of this
It’s WIFOM.

anyway, why is Whiteflame middle of the pack for you?
He’s not. He’s my top scumread. If we lynch him, worst case scenario, WF is town and basically makes you look very townie.
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pretty sure strongmen can be roleblocked

Bullish, can you verify this please?
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@ILikePie5
But would Wylted just yolo claim it? Maybe. 
Because its wylted. I could also see him signing off on that2's yolo claim. 

Idt Wylted would care. Frustration is something that doesn’t come by often for em especially in mafia
Oh he gets frustrated, not like long term frustration, like in the moment frustration. You could literally see him calling mikal a Piece of sh1t for trying to confirm himself. I actually get it, its a scummy tactic, which is why I wasn't approving of it, but I would completely understand him being mad in the moment about that especially combined with that2 being CC'ed by him. Its like "Oh this mother fvcker gets to be town confirmed and gets to CC my scum partner, screw this"

Anyways the one time I am gonna sign off on your lynch all millers policy and your not gonna do it?! What a shame lol
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It’s WIFOM.
"Erm actually nothing in your case matters because its all wifom, so I am going to make no effort whatsoever to think about what you would and wouldn't do as scum, even though that means I have no way of reading you behaviorally"

I know you're town but this shit is retarded.

He’s not. He’s my top scumread. If we lynch him, worst case scenario, WF is town and basically makes you look very townie.

Post 135 isn't a ranking then?
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What kind of computer systems are we talking here
No clue