Jet Fighters Mafia - DP2

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yes, I still stand by the idea that brushing off reasons to townread me because of my "muh wifom" is gay and retarded.
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I want to lynch Whiteflame. If he flips town, it makes Mharman more likely to be town (he could still be a Strongman technically). I’m basically the de facto NK tonight anyways, and it’s going to succeed with no protective roles. At the very least, you can replace me we Mharman in the town block.
The only thing I would really get on board with as far as whiteflame goes is that he hasn't really taken a stance yet, but that's not very fair to him either considering he had to go to bed and because of the whole wait to CC thing the day phase was kind of stalled. So I would like to give him until tomorrow to get his thoughts, behaviorally though he just doesn't read scum to me. 
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What kind of computer systems are we talking here
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hmmm ok. I was wondering about how much overlap there was between your justification and Pie's
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Anyways the one time I am gonna sign off on your lynch all millers policy and your not gonna do it?! What a shame lol
Very ironic indeed
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@Mharman
Strongman does not bypass roleblocker. Strongman only bypasses roles which protect the target.
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also post 151 was partially meant to draw attention to the fact that I forgot to tag you in 149.
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The only thing I would really get on board with as far as whiteflame goes is that he hasn't really taken a stance yet, but that's not very fair to him either considering he had to go to bed and because of the whole wait to CC thing the day phase was kind of stalled. So I would like to give him until tomorrow to get his thoughts, behaviorally though he just doesn't read scum to me. 
We have time. But at the very least, his character is off and his roles are scummy + pseudo CC of Mharman, who he town reads.
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Strongman does not bypass roleblocker. Strongman only bypasses roles which protect the target.
so i can't be strongman either. there you go Pie.
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Heres one point I would be willing to consider. If we lynched whiteflame now, we would town confirm mharman. pie likely dies tonight. We still have me wylted and banana in the poe, so I may be willing to make a deal if we lynch whiteflame today we must lynch wylted tomorrow. After that its mylo, and we should still have one more try left if for some reason all of those are wrong, which would basically mean scum is either me or banana. 
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lol i feel like having to deal with Pie's headass here is divine retribution for all the times I've been paranoid about him in past games
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Strongman does not bypass roleblocker. Strongman only bypasses roles which protect the target.
Okay great, so if WF does flip town, then Mharman is basically confirmed town and cannot be killed assuming he hides behind someone not NKed (ie me)
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At any rate, we still have time in the DP, so we don't have to lynch Whiteflame now, although that's probably what we'll be doing at the end of the day phase
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What is the difference between a hider and a commuter?
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Heres one point I would be willing to consider. If we lynched whiteflame now, we would town confirm mharman. pie likely dies tonight. We still have me wylted and banana in the poe, so I may be willing to make a deal if we lynch whiteflame today we must lynch wylted tomorrow. After that it’s mylo, and we should still have one more try left if for some reason all of those are wrong, which would basically mean scum is either me or banana. 
No. We lynch you or Banana tomorrow. Then on LYLO yall can figure it out amongst yourselves.
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If you wanna save us time and concede that would be great though
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Can Bus Drivers choose themselves and a another player or does it have to be two players besides themselves

If a Roleblocker blocked a Redirector and the Redirector redirected the Roleblocker to someone else, what would happen.
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No. We lynch you or Banana tomorrow. Then on LYLO yall can figure it out amongst yourselves.
If you wanna play it like that then simply, fvck you. You don't have the pull this game you usually do. So go fvck yourself. If I wanna vote wylted I will vote wylted. 
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What is the difference between a hider and a commuter?
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Commuters cannot be target period.

If Player A is the Hider and hides behind Player B and scum kill Player B, both the Hider (Player A) and Player B die. But if scum target Player A, Player A lives
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I should mention my double vote does NOT go away at MYLO/LYLO.
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If you wanna play it like that then simply, fvck you. You don't have the pull this game you usually do. So go fvck yourself. If I wanna vote wylted I will vote wylted. 
Then vote Wylted. I’m basically the towniest person here, and there’s a solid townblock
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Commuters cannot be target period.

If Player A is the Hider and hides behind Player B and scum kill Player B, both the Hider (Player A) and Player B die. But if scum target Player A, Player A lives
Is it common for both of these roles to exist in the same game?
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If Whiteflame is town I think that does open the door to a lot of people... I'm not sure who my top sus would be in that case just yet
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Okay I stand by my read on Banana being town.


Town to Scum Ranking:

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Then vote Wylted. I’m basically the towniest person here, and there’s a solid townblock
Your towniness doesn't have much to do with anything, I have town read you since day one, its not like anyone is suggesting lynching you. You believing wylted is hard town confirmed really doesn't make sense though, so if you wanna push that when your the likely night kill, and being unwilling to compromise means you'll just die and accomplish nothing with your death. 
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Is it common for both of these roles to exist in the same game?
From my experience, no, although it is possible. It's not that there can't be room for both- it's that they're both usually roles mods tack on late in their setup design when they want to add something small.
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Is it common for both of these roles to exist in the same game?
It’s possible. You never know. My main issue with WF is his character being a stealth jet. Doesn’t fit with any of the other townies and directly correlates with the That2 who was scum and stealth jet. Even if WF is town though, it confirms Mharman in the process, so basically a win win for us anyways
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The only thing lynching whiteflame accomplishes is that it completely takes mharman off the board to know he is town. The confirmation would be nice. However considering I already think whiteflame and mharman are likely town, this lynch is more for reassuring others only, thats why I say if we make a deal to lynch wylted next im down, otherwise were basically letting wylted go to endgame, where anything can happen and I just don't trust you arseholes enough to make the right decision at that point. 
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What is the difference between a hider and a commuter?
Both hider and commuter are untargetable. The hider dies if the person they hide behind dies.
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Oh he gets frustrated, not like long term frustration, like in the moment frustration. You could literally see him calling mikal a Piece of sh1t for trying to confirm himself.
I do. In fact I care more about winning as scum typically because I feel like if I am scum and win I get more credit than if I am town and win. 

I will say something you can't account for is that I am literally a different person than last week. My personal philosophy is something I have been trying to piece together my entire life and it finally came to me. 

It's also why I called Mikal a piece of shit in a way that was distant and not personal. Not him personally of course but his code of ethics. 

I have just been more honest lately. My sister is a holy roller. You know the type. Anyway I told her very calmly because I honestly wasn't upset or anything I just was trying to help her realize her own state of mind that she wasn't as close to God as she thinks she is. I told her that nobody who is actually close to God would be fat, which is true. 

The same day I told my mother information to keep her in the loop about something and she started to panic a bit about something that was honestly only a 10% chance of happening so I calmly informed her that I will no longer be sharing information with her and I will be taking over decision making if she can't being in the loop and part of the process in a cold logical way. 

I haven't tried to adopt this flat honesty but it has just happened as a result of me being certain about everything. 


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Your towniness doesn't have much to do with anything, I have town read you since day one, it’s not like anyone is suggesting lynching you. You believing wylted is hard town confirmed really doesn't make sense though, so if you wanna push that when your the likely night kill, and being unwilling to compromise means you'll just die and accomplish nothing with your death. 
It makes sense to me when there’s a flipped Godfather. If Wylted yoloed Miller, that’s a massive risk, and he said he’d play better as scum, which he truly has in Serial Killer Mafia. He SOPed his first post this game too. Can he take the risk? Yes. Did he? Maybe. But I think the odds are lower that you make it out to be