Jet Fighters Mafia - DP2

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Can Bus Drivers choose themselves and a another player or does it have to be two players besides themselves
Bus driver can self target in my version. 

If a Roleblocker blocked a Redirector and the Redirector redirected the Roleblocker to someone else, what would happen.
Roleblocker resolves first.
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Thanks for the answers
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Idk how I’m not off the board already.

If Whiteflame is scum, I’m not, so I’m town.

If he’s town, it means he really did send his roleblock to me and I would’ve had no way of committing the NK last night. Since an NK did happen, that makes me town.
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You need to stop trying to steam roll town if you want to be a better player. It shouldn't surprise you that people such as lunatic and mharman would push back against this. I think the last time I mislynched you, I did so intentionally because you were pissing me off by trying to lead town so hard. If you want to lead, them by all means do so, but do it in a collaborative way so we can avoid these egoistic responses that will naturally come from your current style
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You need to stop trying to steam roll town if you want to be a better player. It shouldn't surprise you that people such as lunatic and mharman would push back against this. I think the last time I mislynched you, I did so intentionally because you were pissing me off by trying to lead town so hard. If you want to lead, them by all means do so, but do it in a collaborative way so we can avoid these egoistic responses that will naturally come from your current style
Mharman is on board with my plan of lynching Whiteflame. It helps him get confirmed and replaces me as a lock townie. Lunatic or you are probably going to be lynched tomorrow.
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It makes sense to me when there’s a flipped Godfather.
Thats EXACTLY the reason why its such a good claim though. The perfect trifecta of cop/godfather/miller just seems too good  to be true. I don't see bullish confirming two town like that. But wylted would have known miller was safe before a cop ever claimed, because of the mere existence of a godfather. 

 If Wylted yoloed Miller, that’s a massive risk, and he said he’d play better as scum, which he truly has in Serial Killer Mafia.
I don't think its a massive risk, thats more mid level. I would consider claiming dreamer before half the living players outed who they visited np1 was is more of a massive risk. Anyways, it was a semi risk, with a huge payout, considering that you are now towning him for it, so hard that you are ignoring your holy policy of lynching all millers because of it lol.


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Idk how I’m not off the board already.

If Whiteflame is scum, I’m not, so I’m town.

If he’s town, it means he really did send his roleblock to me and I would’ve had no way of committing the NK last night. Since an NK did happen, that makes me town.
You’re never being lynched before WF
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otherwise were basically letting wylted go to endgame, where anything can happen and I just don't trust you arseholes enough to make the right decision at that point.
I legit will not put up much of a fight and will let town lose if scum is trying to bully the other town member to vote me, so thats an argument to not let me get to LYLO also. However, I can promise I won't make the wrong decision at LYLO if I survive until then so it's a two sided sword. I am an easier mislynch than most at that stage, but then again I will make the perfect decision at LYLO if the game is in my hands
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I know, I just think I’m town confirmed and yall are baked to think otherwise
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Thats EXACTLY the reason why it’s such a good claim though. The perfect trifecta of cop/godfather/miller just seems too good  to be true. I don't see bullish confirming two town like that. But wylted would have known miller was safe before a cop ever claimed, because of the mere existence of a godfather. 
The only way he could’ve safely SOPed Miller is if he was the last one to post or he just yoloed (which I don’t believe atm). Can you go back and see if he was the last one that posted in DP1, I gotta sleep. Work tomorrow.

I don't think its a massive risk, thats more mid level. I would consider claiming dreamer before half the living players outed who they visited np1 was is more of a massive risk. Anyways, it was a semi risk, with a huge payout, considering that you are now towning him for it, so hard that you are ignoring your holy policy of lynching all millers because of it lol.
I’m actually not. As of right now, he would be the third lynch (WF/Luna/Wylted) because I townread Banana
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I am okay with whiteflames lynch then since it confirms mharman, and it would be best to have a confirmed townie going into tomorrow. As far as wylted goes, I don't see a strong reason to lynch him other than people being skeptical of his role, it doesn't seemed based on behavior very much.
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I’m not as confident as you are about going between Lunatic/Wylted if Whiteflame somehow flips town.
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I think whiteflame is the last scum as well but we need to change town and scum meta here.
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I know, I just think I’m town confirmed and yall are baked to think otherwise
No one is gonna lynch you. What are your thoughts on Luna, Wylted, and Banana? Those are the 3 main suspects if WF flips town 
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Alr night night sleepyhead.

I might go to sleep rn too
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I am okay with whiteflames lynch then since it confirms mharman, and it would be best to have a confirmed townie going into tomorrow. As far as wylted goes, I don't see a strong reason to lynch him other than people being skeptical of his role, it doesn't seemed based on behavior very much. 

Why should I believe that you are town?
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Lunatic won't believe me at this point but yes I will fake claim miller on occasion as scum but it's almost always when there is no godfather because I assume there is no cop and I can stay alive for a while given the town meta of not lynching Millers lately. If there is a godfather then there is usually a Miller so I won't claim it as scum in that situation
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No one is gonna lynch you. What are your thoughts on Luna, Wylted, and Banana? Those are the 3 main suspects if WF flips town 
Really tough decision. I’ll need to think on that. Gun to head, my gut says Wylted, then Lunatic, then Banana.
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We can at least test bananas role this dp. I can't remember if it was on the town only list though
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Yeah we can test Banana’s role. Good minmax.
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Thats EXACTLY the reason why it’s such a good claim though. The perfect trifecta of cop/godfather/miller just seems too good  to be true. I don't see bullish confirming two town like that. But wylted would have known miller was safe before a cop ever claimed, because of the mere existence of a godfather. 
The only way he could’ve safely SOPed Miller is if he was the last one to post or he just yoloed (which I don’t believe atm). Can you go back and see if he was the last one that posted in DP1, I gotta sleep. Work tomorrow.

Again I don't see that as relevant. Claiming miller would have been a semi yolo move, not very hard though considering if he was scum he knew there was a godfather and thus not a huge risk in claiming miller. Also consider the fact that my journalist role was basically put in and can only be used to verify an investigater, of which you are the only one. Basically my role is useless without a cop. So its not just a trifecta, is a quadra of perfect roles that justify each other, two of which we know are true the cop and godfather, meaning its less likely in my eyes that the mod would confirm another player with a miller of all things. 

I’m actually not. As of right now, he would be the third lynch (WF/Luna/Wylted) because I townread Banana
Also why am I in front of wylted? Purely based on role?
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Banana’s role can be town or scum according to the list.
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Whats ironic as hell here is the exact reason I am advocating wylted here is the exact reason pie always advocates lynching them, but with added reasons both behavior wise and mechanics wise lol. I literally don't even think pie believes in his lynch all millers policy anymore. He just doesn't want to admit he's ever been wrong about anything so he is going to pretend he believes in this policy. Realistically he hasn't policy lynched a miller in any game in recent history that I can even remember. 
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Alr imma hit the hay

Whiteflame, if you ever feel like self-voting because you’ve been caught, go for it. There’s no shame in losing to Mikal’s pressure out of nowhere.
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Lunatic won't believe me at this point but yes I will fake claim miller on occasion as scum but it's almost always when there is no godfather because I assume there is no cop and I can stay alive for a while given the town meta of not lynching Millers lately. If there is a godfather then there is usually a Miller so I won't claim it as scum in that situation
I don't even think your confirmed scum or anything, just that you are an unknown and always will be until MYLO, its not a role I think is worth gambling for in the endgame. Normally I don't push so hard on this, but no we have 3 roles that can only exist for a cop, which just seems like a lot. 
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You know this is all a moot point of whiteflame flips scum? 

I am on board with your plan. I am willing to self vote if you convince enough people just because pie needs to learn to be more collaborative if a large portion of town considers him a leader, and it's not against my wincon to self vote because it still narrows the potential scum pool and helps with POE. 

I won't self vote next DP but this one I would be willing.
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Whiteflame, if you ever feel like self-voting because you’ve been caught, go for it. There’s no shame in losing to Mikal’s pressure out of nowhere.
Do you really want to play a game that easy? He might be able to rally the troops and not be lynched here.
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I am okay with whiteflames lynch then since it confirms mharman, and it would be best to have a confirmed townie going into tomorrow. As far as wylted goes, I don't see a strong reason to lynch him other than people being skeptical of his role, it doesn't seemed based on behavior very much.
Did you literally not read anything I said?

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You know this is all a moot point of whiteflame flips scum? 

I am on board with your plan. I am willing to self vote if you convince enough people just because pie needs to learn to be more collaborative if a large portion of town considers him a leader, and it's not against my wincon to self vote because it still narrows the potential scum pool and helps with POE. 

I won't self vote next DP but this one I would be willing.
Well I am doing my best to sell your lynch today, but based on the feedback I am seeing, it doesn't seem likely it won't be whiteflame. But I did say I could compromise a whiteflame lynch if it resulted in your lynch tomorrow. and we'd still get one more after that, so why wouldn't you be willing to self vote tomorrow? You'd still get whiteflame lynched, it would solve the problem of allowing a miller to be an unknown all the way til the endgame, and if we have severely fvcked up at that point, we still have one more chance to get it right, and POE would still be in our favor. Assuming its me banana and mharman left in LYLO, banana if scum just auto wins if shes actually a double voter, so if she doesnt we know shes town confirmed and it would guaranteed be me since mharman would have been confirmed via whiteflames death. 


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I’m fine lynching Whiteflame today using Banana’s Double Voter. Then tomorrow we can go for Wylted. And if Wylted is town, on LYLO go for Luna. Pretty sound proof plan imo.

At LYLO, it will be Luna, Banana, Moozer/Mhar (more likely Mhar because of the Hider).