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@Lunatic
Remind me again what your justification was?
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I really think it’s just whiteflame, but discussing the follow up is good imo
Okay lets think this through.
We lynch whiteflame today, it confirms mharman, eases everyones doubts that whiteflame is scum, whatever. If hes scum its gg, if not we know mharm is town.
Scum most likely kill pie or moozer here, they could try and gamble the kill on hitting mharman, but its a big gamble and if they mis, they are more fvcked because we get an extra mislynch, so chances are they just choose pie here, but if not its a win win unless they somehow get extremely lucky and hit the hider and his hide target.
So next dp is me, wylted, mharm, banana, moozer/pie (depending on who they killed). We lynch wylted. He's scum, gg. Hes town, we basically know its me or banana. Again scum can try and gamble the hider target, but if they are smart just shoot the remaining confirmed town whether its pie or moozer.
Lylo is now me mharm and banana. If it's banana and she wasn't lying about being able to vote in lylo, she wins. That seems busted af to me for mafia, though and at that point I just blame bullish. Mharm is confirmed, so I would have to be scum.
In my eyes this is a win win for everyone, the only risk involved in this plan is if you think banana is EXACTLY scum double voter AND not lying about not losing her role in LYLO, or if mafia gamble a kill on the hider and get lucky.
Absent of those two things, this plan is basically a game solve.
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@ILikePie5
Remind me again what your justification was?
The Viggen was the first plane with an on board computer system with a heads up display to help aid with combat related tasks providing enhanced information.
Also what are your thoughts on post 213?
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@Lunatic
Again I don't see that as relevant.
Humor me. You got all the time in the world tonight
Claiming miller would have been a semi yolo move, not very hard though considering if he was scum he knew there was a godfather and thus not a huge risk in claiming miller. Also consider the fact that my journalist role was basically put in and can only be used to verify an investigater, of which you are the only one.
From my POV I can’t guarantee that you’re a Journalist. And actually, Mikal was an investigative too technically I think.
Basically my role is useless without a cop. So its not just a trifecta, is a quadra of perfect roles that justify each other, two of which we know are true the cop and godfather, meaning its less likely in my eyes that the mod would confirm another player with a miller of all things.
But it’s not confirmable. The only truly confirmable role atm is the Cop (me) because of the GF and the Vanilla (Moozer) to a lesser extent because of Bullish’s view on rolemad + my investigation. Anyways, I trust Mharman at LYLO to lead us to the win.
Also why am I in front of wylted? Purely based on role?
Ya but I’m starting to consider you and him interchangeable. It would certainly be less of a headache at LYLO, but I’d be long dead by then anyways.
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@ILikePie5
I’m fine lynching Whiteflame today using Banana’s Double Voter. Then tomorrow we can go for Wylted. And if Wylted is town, on LYLO go for Luna. Pretty sound proof plan imo.At LYLO, it will be Luna, Banana, Moozer/Mhar (more likely Mhar because of the Hider).
Sounds good to me, seems you are finally seeing my logic lol. This should be a game solve unless mafia get lucky on a hider target guess, or banana is exactly the scum double voter and isnt lying about not losing her double vote at lylo. Again in that case we just blame bullish.
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@Lunatic
Okay lets think this through.We lynch whiteflame today, it confirms mharman, eases everyones doubts that whiteflame is scum, whatever. If hes scum its gg, if not we know mharm is town.Scum most likely kill pie or moozer here, they could try and gamble the kill on hitting mharman, but its a big gamble and if they mis, they are more fvcked because we get an extra mislynch, so chances are they just choose pie here, but if not its a win win unless they somehow get extremely lucky and hit the hider and his hide target.So next dp is me, wylted, mharm, banana, moozer/pie (depending on who they killed). We lynch wylted. He's scum, gg. Hes town, we basically know its me or banana. Again scum can try and gamble the hider target, but if they are smart just shoot the remaining confirmed town whether its pie or moozer.Lylo is now me mharm and banana. If it's banana and she wasn't lying about being able to vote in lylo, she wins. That seems busted af to me for mafia, though and at that point I just blame bullish. Mharm is confirmed, so I would have to be scum.In my eyes this is a win win for everyone, the only risk involved in this plan is if you think banana is EXACTLY scum double voter AND not lying about not losing her role in LYLO, or if mafia gamble a kill on the hider and get lucky.Absent of those two things, this plan is basically a game solve.
I agree with this plan, but we can go 1 step further. Banana claimed 1x DoubleVoter. Force her to use it today on WF/tomorrow on Wylted if it’s night activated. Then we’ve covered our bases. In a Luna, Banana, Mharman LYLO, my official recommendation is to get Luna jfyi and you’re okay with it too, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
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@Lunatic
Sounds good to me, seems you are finally seeing my logic lol. This should be a game solve unless mafia get lucky on a hider target guess, or banana is exactly the scum double voter and isnt lying about not losing her double vote at lylo. Again in that case we just blame bullish.
Mharman can just waive to reduce those odds too, though he can play it how he wants. That + forcing Banana to use her 1x DV before LYLO. Should be good to go. This is why I’m thinking it’s just Whiteflame. Makes the most sense especially with the character
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@ILikePie5
Humor me. You got all the time in the world tonight
If your willing to go with the plan of whiteflame/wylted/ me, it doesn't matter anyway.
From my POV I can’t guarantee that you’re a Journalist. And actually, Mikal was an investigative too technically I think.
My point stood before I even added the part about how my role can only interact with yours, because three roles that can only exist with a cop is already a lot of roles, even before you consider mine in the equation. I have no clue what a follower is so I don't know if it interacts with cop, but my role also is one that can only get information from you.
But it’s not confirmable. The only truly confirmable role atm is the Cop (me) because of the GF and the Vanilla (Moozer) to a lesser extent because of Bullish’s view on rolemad + my investigation. Anyways, I trust Mharman at LYLO to lead us to the win.
Never said my role is confirmable, just stating things from my perspective as a townie, take it with a grain of salt if you like. Agreed on the latter part of trusting mharman in the end, so its whatever anyway.
Ok I misremembered. Banana is a perma double voter. Damn. My brain hurts. I’m officially calling it a night. I got work tom
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@ILikePie5
I agree with this plan, but we can go 1 step further. Banana claimed 1x DoubleVoter. Force her to use it today on WF/tomorrow on Wylted if it’s night activated. Then we’ve covered our bases. In a Luna, Banana, Mharman LYLO, my official recommendation is to get Luna jfyi and you’re okay with it too, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
Completely fine with that, because in that situation banana would have won already if scum, and if it was somehow mharman than something bastard is at play here, so I would understand being in the POE. We should have won by this point, or banana is exactly scum.
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@Lunatic
If you’re willing to go with the plan of whiteflame/wylted/ me, it doesn't matter anyway.
Fine, I’ll do it myself tom
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@Lunatic
Completely fine with that, because in that situation banana would have won already if scum, and if it was somehow mharman than something bastard is at play here, so I would understand being in the POE. We should have won by this point, or banana is exactly scum.
Great, we have a plan
I am fine with that plan too. I am I am town, so we should win before we ever get to lylo anyways.
Official Vote Count
Mharman (1/4) - pie
pie (1/4) - Mharman
Not voting: Moozer, banana, whiteflame, WyIted, lunatic,
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@Lunatic
why wouldn't you be willing to self vote tomorrow?
I think if it's not whiteflame it's probably banana and I think we lose if this happens tomorrow but if I change my mind and think you are acting I could just self vote.
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@WyIted
I think if it's not whiteflame it's probably banana and I think we lose if this happens tomorrow but if I change my mind and think you are acting I could just self vote.
This stance solidifies for me that this lynch order is the correct move.
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@Lunatic
I essentially said that if it comes down to me, you and banana at LYLO I would vote LYLO.
Not sure why you would insinuate my vote would be incorrect in that situation.
Vote bananas is the missing word there
Well, seems like everyone’s decided on this overnight. I’d have preferred to at least use the RB one more time to reduce PoE before this, but with only one scum in the game, we can risk more mislynches and at least we town confirm Mharman.
Good luck next DP, guys.
VTL WF
In terms of reads, I guess I’m putting PoE down to WyIted and Luna as well. The latter has mainly been based on a behavioral read that I think still holds, but it’s not as strong as an un-CC’d Cop. WyIted’s Miller claim with the GF flip definitely helps his case, as he’d have to be pretty sure town didn’t have a Miller to go with that fake claim knowing there’s a Cop on the table, but I’d say that’s an outside chance.
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@whiteflame
Who would you lynch? I guess me or Luna?
If we lynched say me or Luna and then you roleblocked the one we didn't could they just refrain from the NK and mess up this plan? More importantly would they?
If it isn't me or Luna then who is it?
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@WyIted
If scum refrain from an NK to hide, then they’re putting themselves in a pretty terrible position for the sake of surviving one more DP. Town block’s only getting bigger at this point. So no, I don’t think scum can risk a night without an NK and if they do, I’d say that’s still good for town.
The only other player I see left as a plausible scum is Moozer. The Vanilla claim doesn’t really swing one way or the other for me, and he’s just generally played null the whole game. I think he’d be more active as scum based on previous games, but PoE’s basically down to you three, and I could see lynching either Moozer or Luna first at this point. Kind of preferring Moozer, but it’s not a big difference.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
Technically whiteflame is correct.
Would he have a high self. Preservation instinct as town?
If we lynch lunatic here then whiteflame can block me to confirm me. Or we lynch me and he blocks lunatic and then if there is a NK it confirms a person no NK doesn't do anything TBH but buys us an extra DP technically.
Then we lynch whiteflame and if he's telling the truth we can trust his results and potentially narrow the scum pool more.
If say banana is scum she automatically wins with the current plan but if we lynch me or lunatic and obviously I prefer lunatic over myself than in a theoretical world where the banana is scum then we still win.
I am going to go with lunatic but am willing to switch to myself if it gains an extra vote. I suggest you lead town to lynch lunatic, plus I feel like whiteflame would have more self preservation as scum and lunatic had some red flags DP1 that I would prefer to not have to reread DP1 to remember
VTL Lunatic
Also lunatic should support this plan if he is genuinely town as it reduces the chances of scum winning if scum is specifically banana
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@whiteflame
I forgot Moozer was in the game to be honest. I have been sleeping on him
Moozer is more likely to be scum than banana
unvote
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@Lunatic
@Mharman
Hmmm if Whiteflame is indeed town, then we can use the RB to our advantage. Maybe we change the order and lynch Wylted today. Whiteflame blocks Banana/Lunatic. Mafia are forced to NK me/Moozer but most likely me. Wylted-Whiteflame-Lunatic. We find out if Whiteflame is telling the truth by lynching him tomorrow. If there is no NK tonight, we still gain information.
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@iamanabanana
Are you a 1x Double Voter or permanent double voter?
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@Lunatic
This stance solidifies for me that this lynch order is the correct move.
Ya this is setting off alarm bells for me too