Jet Fighters Mafia - DP3

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Alr I finished my deep dive.

I’m down to go for Whiteflame because I think he is the scummiest. If he does flip town my sus will be on Lunatic over Moozer. Some interesting discrepancies in his play that I don’t think anyone else has seen. He has a few townie things to counter, but not enough. Small sample size on Moozer’s posts unfortunately. Some good some bad there too but with the bad I kinda think he’s just being weird again.

Will expand on this in the morning.
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seems like everyone is ready.

vtl whiteflame
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Post 62 should be the hammer if all is normal here

Both of you unvote just in case
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In case something isn’t normal
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*shrug*

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Banana

Banana is town. The decision to leak PM info early was standard for her town play. F-16 was an old user on DDO and so the PM info can’t be faked if she’s that2’s teammate.

I did neglect the possibility of it just being a part of the PM but with another role, but considering that Banana has been willing to test her role, it can’t be a fake claim. If she were claiming her real role as scum she would’ve voted Whiteflame a lot sooner
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Shit. I think last nights scumread of Whiteflame was horribly wrong
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Might be too late now unless some weird shit happened
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Holy shit I think my read from yesterday was wrong 

Whiteflame 

So his claim sucks. I agree that he’s bad at fake claiming, but the reason is because he claims something specifically designed to keep him alive. Either something safe that wouldn’t raise eyebrows (Strengthener, Ace Attorney Mafia- obv we sus strengthener a lot now, but it was safe at the time), or it was something that was designed to disincentivize lynching him (suicide bomb - Bo Burnham Mafia). Meanwhile, his claim here lacks that trait.

Additionally, I don’t hate the justification, and bad justifications are usually a feature of his fake claims (other aforementioned games, plus  Diary Mafia iirc).

It is for this reason that the claim is a departure from his past scum games. I had considered the idea of a slapdash claim, with the idea of an added JOAT to “roll for deception” under fast pressure from Mikal, but honestly, if he were to send up a prayer, he has no reason not to just leave his claim at commuter, which would be what Whiteflame would normally do as scum anyway.

Also, his night actions seem consistent with his role (roleblocker is objectively the best tool in his kit), and he did hint that one of his roles was the one he’d specifically use. The decision to say he has at least one interference role, but not reveal the other was a clever way of letting town know his role has something normally scum, while holding his cards. 

Also I knew there was room for a commuter in the setup, it just felt weird because there’s normally only one type of those roles per game. But price how there’s no (claimed, anyway) protective roles- now hider + commuter makes more sense.

And the piece de resistance (which inspired this whole turnaround for me):

post 181 of DP1:

Car issue’s largely resolved. Going to eat something and then catch up again.
Seems innocuous, right? But it’s worth noting that at the time, That2 had been CC’d. You’d think since that2 made such a mistake, she’d be apologizing up and down the scum PM, and Whiteflame would’ve seen it. Instead, the first chance he gets to check in, he just says he’s going to catch up more later. I’m thinking if he were scum, he would make note of the CC and vote that2 before going to lunch, not after he comes back from it.

Again it might be too late, but if he flips town I know where I went wrong. And if he flips scum he was just a shitter this game, no offense. I am  partially basing my read off of him not being terrible this game.
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Btw the three past scum games of Whiteflame I mentioned are all games where I correctly sussed him. I’m trusting myself here.
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Honestly was just troubled by his claim and low activity last night 
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But I finally locked tf in today and I think I usually know when Whiteflame is scum
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Moozer v Lunatic is gonna be hard. Still leaning Lunatic, but the small sample size with Moozer bothers me.
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Official Vote Count

whiteflame (2/3) - whiteflame, banana

Not voting: Moozer, lunatic, Mharman

whiteflame has been lynched. He was mafia.

whiteflame - J-36 - The J-36 prototype was first spotted flying in Chengdu, China, late 2024. It is the first of the next-gen fighters in development that has been captured on video. Notable features of the J-36 include 3 engines, massive size, and the lack of a vertical stabilizer, suggesting that it's focused on electronics power generation, range, and stealth - You are JOAT; your abilities are 1x commuter (on nights you commute, you may not perform the NK), 1x roleblocker, 2x ninja.

Town wins!

Game's over, endgame coming up.

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Mikal 4 mvp
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Yep, honestly shocked it took that long.

Sorry Luna, but I was actually called pretty early for just straight up claiming my role and I pretty much did just that. Didn’t mean I was necessarily scum based on that alone, but I’m not surprised I got called for it. Was considering claiming BG, which would have worked in retrospect, but I had no way of knowing there wouldn’t be any protective roles.
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I overcomplicated things at the end. You just fucked up bigly. Sad!
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I overcomplicated things at the end. You just fucked up bigly. Sad!
Lol, it was fun to watch your thought process. Anyway, I’ll give thoughts in the endgame, but being called out basically at random by Mikal and having a number of people pile on to start really didn’t help. It was either make a big gamble and likely get CC’d or try this.
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Dude I wanted that last read to be correct so badly because it would’ve been nutty 
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If there’s smoke and heat, there’s usually a fire lol
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When user flipped I thought you guys would auto hammer. The only reason that fake claim made sense was if she didn’t want to tie her character to someone. Went it flipped stealth it stuck out like a sore thumb. Pie yolo calling the split was wild.