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@zedvictor4
Well stated.
My apology to all other users on site
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@Sir.Lancelot
We disagree on the last part.
There is 1 right religion (well 2, Judaism sort of is and sort of isn't).
He also cannot change alone. It does not work like that and self help stuff is actually somewhat Satanic as much as it means well and is why I have not suddenly gone full right wing.
We need to be weak, to accept we are helpless. Bit by bit like a tide being brought to shore the Holy Spirit shall carry you and Father controls the weather while Jesus is a light house or sudden life raft showing up etc. He is also the way to swim where Hoky Spirit is the fuel to the spriit and body in this analogy. Father controls the tide.
Satan is not the cramps, he is the urge to give up while feeling them creep in, magnifying their agony and minimising vision of correct options.
This is not pure metaphor. The sea swimming part is.
It is real and takes nonstop battling the innate gravitation we seem to have to Satan.
You play it as a logic game. You think any change works if it seems for the better. Wrong. Better to lose some or most of the gym gains and gain religion than vice versa. You get the concept?
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@AdaptableRatman
It is incredible that you believe that and stand by your convictions.
I know of your influence and potential, so I encourage you to keep debating and preaching.
If God is real, then you have no idea how many souls you will save by doing this over and over.
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@Sir.Lancelot
That all sounds laced with sarcasm.
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@AdaptableRatman
It's genuine.
Your mission is a noble one, even if I don't share the same beliefs. It demonstrates passion and commitment. I am encouraging you to keep doing it because you're already on the right track. Plenty of users here could use that positive energy
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@AdaptableRatman
I reported all of FishChaser's comments toward you in that one debate, and then tagged the mods so they could see it
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@Sir.Lancelot
😂 Idk if thats the best move but ok. I thought there was a max per day.
Generally if you get a mod to see it they will read all.
Life is funny though, had something not happened later, I couldnt have got all the comments censored.
All is woven into God's plan somehow once you are his. Or at least most is, the thing is I do not fully grasp Cath doctrine's Thomism. Molinism cannot be true if the Cath mechanics of God are true, only Thomism can. But Thomism does leave a mystery as to how exactly God leaves us failing to be saved to randomness yet predestines our saving if we worm with him.
Basically the more you go with his flow, not Satan's flow, the more he makes clearer his plan to you and guides you. The less you go with his flow the more is randomised somehow. That is my heretical oversimplified understa ding of Thomism but it actually seems to fit even my own life.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Ty but my energy is negative often, I just learned to endure better. Or rather HS fills me more often.
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@TheGreatSunGod
Some faith is necessary.
There are a 101 real things to have faith in.
Pretend mangods are a waste of time and effort.
Pagan style worship and devotion to the natural environment is far more meaningful.
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@AdaptableRatman
There is what I refer to as the GOD principle, though I only use the word GOD as a point of reference.
So for sure the air that I breathe, is relative to unknown principles of space, time and existence, and perhaps the purpose of it all.
But the magic mangod hypotheses that arose out of human ignorance are so naively flawed...And certainly by today's standards come with totally outdated texts.
Even so, I never dismiss the idea that life on Planet Earth might have been seeded long ago by an advanced intelligence, so as such any mangod hypothesis is going to be analogous.
Nonetheless, the ritual and baloney that arose with mangod societies and culture is pointless in terms of appeasing or appealing to some beings that came here once and are now long gone.
But this is just another guess, and of course might also be total bunkum...Though, based upon our own experience, I still think it reasonable to suggest that creation and existence must conform to a universal law or principle...A principle, which any other intelligence or mangod is also subject too, rather than being the reason for it.
So the charisma of ennobled men in glamorous gowns and big pointy hats, chanting and infusing the air of majestic Cathedrals with incense, really floats your boat. And to be honest, I also find such performances entertaining to watch...Though it's all a bit RuPaul.
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@zedvictor4
Pretend mangods are a waste of time and effort.
That is your opinion, not mine.
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@TheGreatSunGod
True.
I would not wish to deny you your opinion.
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@zedvictor4
Do you know why you piss me off? It's because you constantly state opinions without including any reasoning behind them. You like to describe things as absurd and expect others to agree that they are absurd, but you haven't given a single meaningful critique of theology or syllogism for why it doesn't make sense etc.
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@FishChaser
and when a preacher runs into someone who will debate suddenly it's all "reason isn't everything" and "a leap of faith is required, do it, it's for the best".you haven't given a single meaningful critique of theology or syllogism for why it doesn't make sense etc.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Yes, go ahead and strawman everyone as having the same mentality as pastor billy bob of pastor billy bob's baptist bible church in bumfuck alabama. There are actually people who use logic and empirical evidence to try to prove Christianity (usually Catholics and Presbyterians).
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@FishChaser
I know, but they fail, and they would fail on this site if they tried.There are actually people who use logic and empirical evidence to try to prove Christianity
OMG, ADOL does have an IQ over 130.
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@FLRW
You forgive a lot if someone will bash theist huh?
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@FishChaser
So Mangod fancies a sacrifice, so he asks Abraham takes his son up a mountain and sacrifice him.
But fortunately there's a Ram stuck in a bush and that does the trick.
What's stuff like that all about, FishChaser?
Now, I can run with the idea of an Extra Terrestrial Super Intelligence...But not one that does shit like that.
So same Mangod screws a virgin, she has his son, who is actually Mangod himself...Then proceeds to sacrifice his son who is actually himself, for me and you.
Yep, makes a whole lot of sense, FishChaser.
And this sort of baloney is the foundation of your life and existence...Hey, whatever floats your boat.
Hey, and don't get me started on boats, with a cargo of approximate 8.7 billion animal species on board.
Even the birds had to land occasionally.
Obviously marine life had an easier time of it.
But I still wonder who collected all those marsupials from Australia...And the Polar bears and the penguins...They don't tell us that.
Nonetheless, not bad for a 600 year old bloke.
How much nonsense do you want?
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@zedvictor4
The Noah's Ark story may have been non-global btw. Many Christians say otherwise but the same Christians deny flat earth theory and some even support macroevolution leading to humans from other primates. So how can they he literalist with Noah's Ark but interpretists in other parts?
Many Muslims and some Christians such as me think that Noah's Ark was a more lovalised flood in especially Iraq. Idk how far it spread. Noah was a gentile and there is crucial ecidence that around that time a severe flood did happen in Iraq. The Ark's remnant have somehow been foind very west of it, in ocean near Turkey.
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@AdaptableRatman
Its not just Christians who believe flood happened. Many ancient cultures who had no connection to Christianity had some very similar claims about flood. And science did confirm that at some point in history, levels of sea rose greatly and covered most of Earth's land surface. Not all, but most. So flood did happen.
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@AdaptableRatman
This shows sea levels. There was a point where sea levels were much higher then. Also, in area where great flood is said to happen does contain traces of great flood, although it is scientifically described as very large local flood, not global flood actually. But such flood did indeed happen back then, and didnt happen again.
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@TheGreatSunGod
It’s not just Christians who believe flood happened. Many ancient cultures who had no connection to Christianity had some very similar claims about flood. And science did confirm that at some point in history, levels of sea rose greatly and covered most of Earth's land surface. Not all, but most. So flood did happen.
So the Bible is true.
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@AdaptableRatman
I don't disagree that the tale might be based upon real events , and Mesopotamia is a good place for a localised flood.
And a guy, perhaps named Noah, perhaps rescued some farm animals in his boat.
Though I doubt that he was 600 years of age...I think that was just another wee exaggeration on the part of storytellers.
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@zedvictor4
Though I doubt that he was 600 years of age.
I wouldn't pass that off so casually. When Noah was alive, as a child, his was the last generation blessed by the Ancient of Days - Adam - before he passed on to the great beyond. And, at that time, there were no doubt fewer nasties messing with our DNA that has had the effect of reducing lifespan. There are just too many nasties now in and around our environment, and too many stupid things we put in the pie hole, or in any number of orifices, or direct into the bloodstream that can cause mutation...
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@TheGreatSunGod
Ra, you're ok in my book. Be well, my friend
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@fauxlaw
Well for sure, we can apply ancient mystery and magic to ancient myths...That's an easy peasy explanation that does not require any qualification.
It's more feasible to suggest that back in the day life spans were measured in lunar cycles, which would make Noah about 48 in solar years.
And I'm not sure what you mean by nasties, but microbes, bacteria in particular, are essential to our existence...It's just that some are not and are best avoided...But a tad hard to dodge
And before the advent of immunisation and antibiotics, viruses and unbeneficial bacteria were common killers.
And unless you're an accepter of Christian creationist baloney, you will be aware that single celled life forms are probably the precursors of all higher life forms, and so were inevitably around in ancient Mesopotamia...As probably was, multi orifice experimentation.
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@zedvictor4
I don't disagree that the tale might be based upon real events , and Mesopotamia is a good place for a localised flood.
Bosphoruse Valley dam then flood
..." Now, a new study in the January 2009 issue of Quaternary Science Reviews suggests that if the flood occurred at all, it was much smaller—hardly of biblical proportions. Liviu Giosan of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) and Florin Filip and Stefan Constantinescu of the University of Bucharest found evidence that Black Lake/Sea water levels rose only 5 to 10 meters around 9,400 years ago, not 50 to 60 meters as Ryan and his colleagues proposed. The flood would have drowned only about 2,000 square kilometers of land (about half of Rhode Island), rather than 70,000 square kilometers (more than the entire state of West Virginia). "...
It's more feasible to suggest that back in the day life spans were measured in lunar cycles, which would make Noah about 48 in solar years
Logical, common sense critical thinking Zed. Another possibility --like Jesus myth{?}-- is that Noah never existed to begin with. The Biblical flood stories were more likely borrowed from Summerian texts/poems ..' The Epic of Gilgamesh ', wherein
..' In the second half of the epic, distress over Enkidu's death causes Gilgamesh to undertake a long and perilous journey to discover the secret of eternal life. Finally, he meets Utnapishtim, who with his wife were the only humans to survive the Flood triggered by the gods (cf. Athra-Hasis). '...
..' The earliest Sumerian Gilgamesh poems date from as early as the Third dynasty of Ur (2100–2000 BC).[4] One of these poems mentions Gilgamesh’s journey to meet the flood hero, as well as a short version of the flood story.[5] The earliest Akkadian versions of the unified epic are dated to ca. 2000–1500 BC '..
you will be aware that single celled life forms are probably the precursors of all higher life forms, and so were inevitably around in ancient Mesopotamia
Cosmic Ancestry { link below } is great resource for microbe Panspermia. Fred Hoyle was believer in microbes from space. Bucky Fuller also gives his version with comets bringing life to Earth. Of course we know much of earths water came to Earth from comets.
Lynn Margulis --Carl Sagans Ex wife is pictured on the home page here below
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@ebuc
Thanks for the information.
8 days later
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@ADreamOfLiberty
I suspect when he decides he's a medium for satan and loves to have sex with corpses in a few months
State the deadline date. When do the few months end?
That way we can determine who is correct and incorrect.