How do fix vibes agreement in society

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Everyone read only the 1st comment here.  The 1st is from some woman that claims women's intuition is never wrong.

A lot of stupid people will instinctively blindly accept that this is true with no thought behind it (and the reason is because the word, "woman" gives some level of serotonin in who reads that word in the moment and this is enough to make the stupid majority of this nation agree to it).  A woman here thinks that a woman's intuition is never wrong.  Imagine if a man says, "A man's intuition is never wrong".  We'd think he's some cocky SOB.  This woman here is also a cocky SOB.

Why do I call this statement stupid?  Read the 2nd comment.

You reference the word, "woman" in a way that makes sense, you could say, "A woman should have the right to end the life of her 4 year old child if she feels it's the correct thing to do and she feels that she can't take of them" (not trying to make this about abortion).  Replace "woman" with "man" and other required changes, and this sounds barbaric.

On the flip side, a woman can say, "A woman should have the right to become a pilot" and society reacts exactly the same way as the statement involving 4 year old homicide.  If a man says, "A man should have the right to become a pilot", then society is like, "Facts".

A man's words matter; a woman's words right now DON'T.  

Now, I am of the opinion that you should be treated like your words and opinions matter if we give you the right to vote.

So women should have to endure 2 options:

  1. Lose the right to vote.  They can become like children that you can legally fuck and they get the privilege of their words not mattering (at the expense of their right to vote).
  2. Be given equal rights (and responsibilities) to a man.  This means they both can vote, but this means if a woman says something, then treat it exactly the same way as if a man said it (so claim, "Facts" if the statement is undeniably accurate, claim, "Hmmm" if the statement might be accurate, and claim, "Bullshit" if the statement is inaccurate) and we should never produce serotonin for when you talk; you can have serotonin and no voting rights like a child or a trichotomy of options and voting rights like adult men right now get.

I think this standard should apply to everyone of all ages.  So if you're 5 years old and want the right to vote, then you will get the right to vote (while at the same time, you will be judged by everything that you say because it matters now).  If a 5 year old comes out in favor of free homes for all and they have voting rights, then treat them exactly the same way as if a 25 year old with voting rights said it.  People should be expected to argue with that person on the streets.

Voting rights are for those with enough of a thick skin to accept the idea that they might be wrong regardless of age or gender and change their beliefs accordingly.  Anyone with voting rights should have a lanyard around their neck indicating that they wish for their statements to be judged like a voter.
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Don't make your misogyny this obvious.

You truly need to stop it.
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OP.
You gotta cool it with the blatant sexism. This not-so-subtle discrimination towards women is not acceptable.
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OP.
You gotta cool it with the blatant sexism. This not-so-subtle discrimination towards women is not acceptable.
It will be even more of a problem if he actually meets a woman someday.


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@RemyBrown
This means they both can vote, but this means if a woman says something, then treat it exactly the same way as if a man said it
Ok, assume women are willing to accept this treatment in exchange for the right to vote. How do you enforce the way people respond to women? Sexism is still free speech.
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How is this misogynistic?

@AdaptableRatman

It seems like your Catholic forgiving phase is gone.  It's a neutral statement (not positive or negative).  I mean, look at your profile picture.

A woman's intuition can sometimes be wrong (same with a man).  My instinct is wrong a lot of the time just like this woman's.  But I own that; she lies and says she's perfect.

Women aren't perfect and neither are men, but women think they are and that's a problem.
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How do you enforce the way people respond to women? 
You don't enforce it.  You merely encourage others to respond like this.  If I have a girlfriend, then I don't care how much I love her, if she says something to me that I don't agree with, then I'm going to call her out on it.  I'm not going to assault her over it, but I'm also not going to smile and pretend to agree with her even if I don't.

If a woman says an opinion that I don't like, then I tell her to her face why I believe she's wrong.  I treat women not like property or children and not like goddesses or helpless victims of xenophobia, but like adults, because they are adults (same thing with non white adults).
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You merely encourage others to respond like this.
But your options were "Lose the right to vote or encourage people to treat women like men." Since you're encouraging people to respond to women in this way, is that sufficient to afford women the right to vote? Or does the majority of society need to be on board with this?
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I mean, look at your profile picture.

Hey, there's no need to throw shade at the coolest character in one of the best franchises.
Take that back right away or I'm reporting this thread to whiteflame.
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Take that back right away or I'm reporting this thread to whiteflame.
Lol whiteflame is the dad of this site.
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@RemyBrown
I think that some men think that some women think that they are perfect.

I similarly think that some women  think that some men think that they are perfect.


From experience, I think that there are very few days when we feel perfect.

Though what actually constitutes human perfection, I do not know.
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 A woman here thinks that a woman's intuition is never wrong. 
Wut? Feelings are neither right nor wrong. They just are. If women were made to be more comfortable about their instincts, we wouldn't have such a breakdown of the family and society as it is. And a lot fewer abortions as well. Feminism long ago transformed from a movement to embrace all radical instincts to a doctrine that suppresses certain instincts. That has to end at some point for the survival of the species.

Women don't need men to "fix" them. And they most certainly don't need other women to fix them. They just need to be protected as they are.
This is from god knows how many years with women.
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What is gone?

I can forgive you and still tell you where you are going wrong.
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Since you're encouraging people to respond to women in this way, is that sufficient to afford women the right to vote? Or does the majority of society need to be on board with this?
Kind of a mix of both of these answers.

Consider 3 situations:

  1. 25% of women agree to lose the right to vote in exchange for being allowed to form and say their opinions based on emotion without pushback from other people.
  2. 50% of women agree to lose the right to vote in exchange for being allowed to form and say their opinions based on emotion without pushback from other people.
  3. 75% of women agree to lose the right to vote in exchange for being allowed to form and say their opinions based on emotion without pushback from other people.
In situation 1, I don't want to punish the 75% who agree to form ideology emotion free based on the 25% who agree with losing their voting rights in exchange for free speech without verbal pushback.  Similar for Situations 2 and 3.
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@RemyBrown
In situation 1, I don't want to punish the 75% who agree to form ideology emotion free based on the 25% who agree with losing their voting rights in exchange for free speech without verbal pushback.  Similar for Situations 2 and 3.
But you're not policing the women themselves, you're policing how everyone else responds to them. It's not like anyone can control if someone else treats them like a child.
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@Savant
But you're not policing the women themselves, you're policing how everyone else responds to them. It's not like anyone can control if someone else treats them like a child.
It's not policing as much as it is a recommendation.  Think MyPlate.  The government says you should eat a certain # of fruit servings, and if you don't, then you violate the guidelines and there is no legal penalty.  The guidelines are there solely for recommendation purposes.
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Then why bring up the not voting thing? Because if voting is conditional on women recommending something, they'll recommend it but the men have no incentive to follow said recommendation.
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@Savant
When something is official, then it's more likely to be done.

For example, in Quebec, French is the sole official language.  As a result, people there are pressured to speak French there.  If they were officially bilingual (French/English), then people there (JUST from something being official as a statement), then people there are more willing to speak English.

Official standards carry some level of weight.  It doesn't mean you are going to be arrested in Quebec for speaking in English, but you are way less likely to do it than if it was officially bilingual.