Oh mighty dollar.

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The question is....can you do anything without money?

Is there really nothing that is not at a cost?

This includes things that are "free of charge", right?

Have you ever stolen before?

Is taxation theft of your moolah?

Is the dollar worth more than your life?

Yes. 
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can you do anything without money?
You can, but you wont have much. Money is how society trades, and trade enables buisnesses and innovation.

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Is taxation theft of your moolah?
   Obviously!
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Is taxation theft of your moolah?
I cannot refuse the libertarian dog whistle: Yes

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In the world of commerce, there is exactly nothing you can do and money is not involved. Directly or indirectly.
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Prayer to God is free.
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It actually is not in the world of commerce. Prayer, going to church, reading a book, looking up at the sky, you name it.

Directly or indirectly, catch that. Directly or indirectly, in the system of monetary supremacy, the dollar reigns and dominates.



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You dont need any money to pray. Just close your eyes and repeat God words in your head. It is free, because God is above money capitalism.
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I'm going to need money to pay for my livelihood on this earth in the world of commerce to do anything or else I'm dead and can't do anything including praying.
Stop looking at everything in a box . Directly or indirectly, money......will .....be.......in....volved .
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No, if you die in this world, you can still pray in the next.
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See now you're changing the subject moving the goalpost. You're indirectly conceding by speaking about the next world, it's free in the next world.

That's well and good. Free in the next, not free in the current.
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See now you're changing the subject moving the goalpost
I never even set goalpost which you talk about. It wasnt even in topic.


Free in the next, not free in the current.
Even if you have no any money or food, you can still pray. As long as you are alive, you can pray, and when you die, you can still pray. It doesnt matter if body dies, because body isnt even you. You are independent of body. The topic was about you, not your body. So you can stay in this world as spirit and pray.
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@Mall
"The question is....can you do anything without money?" - Mall #1

Kind of maybe.
There's a lot f activities that don't need money in 'themselves,
'Some 'few places one can barter,
A number of primitive tools one can make oneself.

A person can have a garden without money, but the more diversity of garden one wants without 'buying the seeds, more effort it'll take,
To find someone willing to accept barter of items or services, or to find the plant or seed in the wild.

Problem though, is I'm pretty sure 'land usually costs money these days, and can be stolen by the government if you don't give them US currency.
'Maybe some loopholes, but I'm not a lawyer.
. . .

One 'could live a homeless lifestyle, or find someplace to 'hide their home illegally,
Foraging and hunting 'might be possible in 'some locations, depending on environment and population density.
Same with soup kitchens and begging.
Hard though, I'd imagine.
. . . Might also have to 'technically 'pay money for a fishing or hunting license, now that I think about it.

"Is there really nothing that is not at a cost?" - Mall #1

Well, Law of Equivalent Exchange, I suppose.
Can't even move our body without it costing 'fuel of some sort, food, water.

'Lot of materials in US, 'do cost US paper Currency though.
'May be some loopholes, such as gathering fallen branches.

"This includes things that are "free of charge", right?" - Mall #1

Well, I assume charity meals at some churches are free, not counting whether they give you a sermon first or not.
Though it probably costs 'them US Currency to put the meals together.

"Is taxation theft of your moolah?" Mall #1

I think so, but bit difficult to put together a powerful lasting country 'without taxes and various means of control 'maybe.

"Is the dollar worth more than your life?"Mall #1

Well the 'concept and 'system maybe.
If I was 'starving though, and didn't have money, I might find immediate food worth more. Even if it meant breaking the law.

'Lot of technology and society only 'exists due to dollar system though maybe.

I suppose it 'might be nice if some land was set aside for people to live 'without dollar system, but I imagine there is always something of value.
Herders and Nomads often owned animals, owned land.
'Sure some people say you can't own the land, but I bet various nomadic people's have killed other nomadic peoples to have the ability to nomad over there, or have somewhere with 'just them.

. . . The people living without the Dollar System, might end up dying a lot more,
Dollar probably pays for a lot of medicine, hospitals, police stations, fire stations, public safety regulations, roads, education.
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Is taxation theft of your moolah?
   Obviously!
Is driving on highways trespassing?
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Obviously no.
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Even when you have no food or money or still costs you to breathe and you have to breathe while praying.

You moved the topic to the next world or life I never paid a point about that but go ahead and deny the fallacy.
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There's absolutely nothing within the system of monetary supremacy you can do indirectly or directly without it involving money.

Some of you don't get that because you never thought about it so in depth. You only think about the moment directly when you not going into the pocketbook. But in the cumulative cyclic economic reality, every move that you make , you're able to do, allowed to do whatever it is while you're alive from a payment of some kind given or on the way to giving payment.
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@Mall
Even when you have no food or money or still costs you to breathe
You dont even disappear when you die.


You moved the topic to the next world or life I never paid a point about
I stated a fact.
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@Mall
I don't need to spend a penny on  proving my love for my bride of 50+ years; it is given and received freely. Oh, she'll take flowers on occasion, and a night out, and such, and we take great pleasure in the investment of conversion of dollars to precious metals [and that worth is far greater than its cost, over time], so, no, not everything requires a dollar.
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Were we talking about the current world or the next world?
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If you have to live while proving it in the system of commerce, it does indeed cost money because it costs to live. I want you guys to get this.

Directly or indirectly.......Directly or indirectly.......Directly or indirectly....money is involved.
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But what can money do on its own? Not a bloody thing.
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Were we talking about the current world or the next world?
The given topic doesnt exclude either.

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Please be honest and say one or the other. Was I speaking of this current world or the next?
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It doesn't have to do anything on its own. You just can't do nothing without it one way or the other. I know it sounds grim but it is the reality of commerce.
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Was I speaking of this current world or the next?
You were speaking about me. I exist in both worlds.
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I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you are a dishonest person. 

I suspect debating you will be a waste.
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I suspect debating you will be a waste.
Pleasure is mine.

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@Mall
It doesn't have to do anything on its own.
Having nothing to do, what is its intrinsic worth? Also, nothing.  Therefore, what "almighty?"
Not to mention that it's value also plummets when there is no commerce necessary in which to engage the dollar. Further, since its value is necessarily tied to its volume in play [and the more of it, the less of its value is had since the dollar is not tied to anything standing in commensurate value, such as it once was backed by an intrinsic-valued commodity, i.e.,  gold, but is no longer and not since the 70s. Therefore, in such a society, if it should utterly collapse, I am better off having an intrinsic value, such as gold, with which to engage a potential necessary commerce. Have you forgotten, or never knew, that I can take myself entirely off the grid [whatever grid is probably the difference for you of survival] within 30 minutes, and survive for at least five years for my bride and I.  I am noir that easy to find, living in a forest [I have an address, but that is not where we live, and I have sufficient property [all I need is 400 quart feet, and I can properly maintain a garden and chicken coop to provide all the nutrients we need, in addition to my 5-year freeze-dried food storage which we continue to augment, and We don't even need a grocery store...
So your have, with your dollars.... what? And for how long? Yes, I am an exception, my friend, but there are plenty oof us around. And, should you find me, good luck breaking into my house to take my goods.
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Yeah fun and games and pleasure is what you people are all about.