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@ILikePie5
Antibiotics and WBCs I got from Google
Don't fucking do that. Don't start googling shit. If you need something to read read past games for behavioral bench markers.
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@Lunatic
he would have gambled the existence of a doctor here if so, or I guess he could have asked the question
Even if I did, I'd be gambling that the doctor doesn't have anything else weakening them. Like if the doctor was odd-night or hindered in some other way, my claim doesn't fit as well.
I guess I will get screwed over if Mharman somehow is odd night or something, but I'm gonna guess he's not for balance reasons.
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@WyIted
I already explained. Lunatic would try hard as scum right now and Casey is obvious to me normally on DP1 but everyone calls my cases bullshit so I always have to wait until mylo to get her
Your cases aren't complete bs. They start out fine, but take wierd conspiracy tangets the longer you read into something is all. Both me and pie agree in general what mharmans scum tells are, but I think your case went a little sideways on a few of the points you were making is all.
Here, hearing the hearings while I’m here.
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Earth (1/5): Savant
Pie (2/5): WyIted, Casey
Another example of a strange interaction: Epstein-Barr Virus (EBV, causes mononucleosis) infects about 95% of adults by the time they're 35 and then lies dormant in the B cells. It can be activated by a lot of things, but the most interesting case (at least for me) is malaria. In combination, these can cause some severe cancers called Burkitt's Lymphoma. We're still not entirely sure why, whether it's the virus being activated to do something or the malaria parasite. And EBV isn't done being weird. It can also cause Nasopharyngeal Carcinoma, a particularly insidious cancer of the throat that is believed to be associated with the virus and diet, though it's unclear what aspects of diet affect it. It is far more common in China, but also places like Greenland.
Why do people even ask me to explain my reads at all at this point at all.
I don't know how it's a weird conspiracy tanget to point out something is fluff and take several examples of the same behavior and examine a scum and town game to see which one the behavior is more consistent with
I don't think we're getting an Earth lynch this DP, and Pie is significantly better than nothing.
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@Savant
I don't think we're getting an Earth lynch this DP, and Pie is significantly better than nothing.VTL Pie
So you want to lynch me even though I claimed I have a confirmable role?
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@WyIted
Why do people even ask me to explain my reads at all at this point at all.I don't know how it's a weird conspiracy tanget to point out something is fluff and take several examples of the same behavior and examine a scum and town game to see which one the behavior is more consistent with
Its not that your wrong, its just that fluff isn't a scum tell. It can be in certain scenarios, but Its a really weak argument in general. Same with buddying. Town buddy all the time. Thats 2/3's of your case right there. It's not that your wrong, its just that you are looking for any reason for your mharman case to be true, so you are adding wieght to points that are kind of weightless.
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@Lunatic
When you’re caught up, list who you are willing to lynch and why
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@ILikePie5
@iamanabanana
We’ll never know till he gets lynched.
This is not how you play mafia.
??? You’re comparing my reaction to Earth last game and saying my play style is different because I didn’t react the same way towards Savant when Earth and Savant don’t play the same way.
Then explain how Savant is behaviorally different this game.
I was referring to your balance argument. We don’t have the full picture if either or both of them are town.
If one of them claims something protective, I'll reevaluate. Why haven't you tagged Banana yourself? Here, I'll do it for you. In the meantime, I'm working based off the info I have.
And I explained the balance argument to you about the negative utility aspect with the Doctor and its extreme weakness by needing to select the scum NKer to begin with.
Avoider really isn't all that different from Brave Townie imo. And it's not the only role where you have to select the NKer for it to be effective. Shield (on MafiaScum) is like that as well.
Also, are you just going to ignore my argument against Savant? Is your justification as weak as his?
Mine is actually super weak. And I'm not ignoring the case for scum Savant, I just believe in town Savant more. It's half deduction, half gut feeling.
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@ILikePie5
So you want to lynch me even though I claimed I have a confirmable role?
Since when do you care about being confirmable? Being confirmable means jack shit. Plus, you said it's mostly useless, right?
As for pie, I don't strongly read him one way or the other. I don't think him pushing for wylteds details are scummy, and I get his frustration on "details matter" because scum don't want to focus on those, the little details are what catches them in scum slips. But we also have 3 claims on the board and I don't think I suspect pie enough to fully lynch him.
I'd rather random lynch banana or Mikal here, I'd consider maybe lynching earth due to inactivity and non contribution as well, but an inactive lynch is better than a mislynch, and I currently don't like any of the presented options of mharman, savant, pie, or wylted. Wylted could be scum, but I am thinking more hes just an overpassionate townie falling victim to confirmation bias, I don't really see scum wylted pushing this hard, or getting "demoralized" about people not liking or agreeing with his case.
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@ILikePie5
When you’re caught up, list who you are willing to lynch and why
Caught up, and just did. Right now I'm leaning the inactives, banana, mikal, or earth.
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@Lunatic
Yeah I get that but I also showed a town game where he didn't do that stuff and a scum game where he did do it so it shows behavior more inline with what we saw in his scum games. There could be a confounding variable but nobody is suggesting that they just don't seem to get the case at all. I just want it understood. When I fed that post to AI it said that it's a non linear case and people struggle to follow non linear cases but I just put in effort that I really shouldn't have and it feels like it's ignored or dismissed and nobody is taking the time to understand the case at all.
I don't even mind being wrong but the lack of engagement feels disrespectful, particularly after I was asked for it and reluctantly agreed to give it.
Votes:
Pie (2/5): Savant, Casey
Last post for the night. Virulence factors are the collection of traits that an organism bears that make them effective at infecting someone and causing disease. This can include anything that helps attach to the outside of and enter the target cell, any toxins the organism produces, anything used to protect itself once it's inside (that includes a capsule or a spore), anything used to break down the host, and other factors like the means to gather essential nutrients. These are going to be pretty specific to a microbe's needs, so some will have more and some will only need to focus on a few.
Hi, I am here. There are sooooooooo many posts. I will try and read them eventually, but can someone give me a short catch up post with the major details in it for now?
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@WyIted
Yeah I get that but I also showed a town game where he didn't do that stuff and a scum game where he did do it so it shows behavior more inline with what we saw in his scum games. There could be a confounding variable but nobody is suggesting that they just don't seem to get the case at all. I just want it understood. When I fed that post to AI it said that it's a non linear case and people struggle to follow non linear cases but I just put in effort that I really shouldn't have and it feels like it's ignored or dismissed and nobody is taking the time to understand the case at all.I don't even mind being wrong but the lack of engagement feels disrespectful, particularly after I was asked for it and reluctantly agreed to give it.
It was also pointed out to you that certain points like the "mharman uses the word 'here' as scum" were also just outright wrong and several town games of mharmans were pointed out to demonstrate that. You are seemingly trying to pick and choose the things that stand out as mharman being scummy to you and amplify them as being more than they are. If you are correct on this in the end, I will feel like an @sshole, but I just have fallen victim to confirmation bias many times myself, and I am seeing signs of it here. Genuinely not trying to be a contrarian here and even tried giving you credit for the parts of your case I agreed with.
wylted pushing this hard, or getting "demoralized" about people not liking or agreeing with his case.
You guys don't understand. It's not about agreeing and it honestly took a long time for you to just say it feels like confirmation bias like maybe I am more inclined to call something fluff in his scum game that I could interpret differently in his town game to maybe subconsciously justify to myself the read. It took a while but that's something.
I don't care about being right at all. I just want to be understood.
It drives me crazy when people do not understand me or misinterpret me, and I hope you guys feel like I am engaging with the premises behind your reads when you give them
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@Lunatic
You do understand I wasn't cherry picking posts to compare to his scum and town game. I went down DP1 of both games and just went post by post. It looks like I am probably wrong here, and maybe I misinterpreted some things the posts aren't cherry picked i literally went one by one.
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@Lunatic
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
This is not how you play mafia.
I know, I’m working with all I have, and his justification reeks. WF is a detailed individual like me. No way he lets its slide like that.
Then explain how Savant is behaviorally different this game.
The whole fiasco about Wylted changing his playstyle and comparing it to you changing yours (you didn’t) and Savant changing his own (explainable due to Championships). Also he full claimed so easily, and I think he more so hid all of his information till the very end. Also the quickness to townread Wylted for being role confirmable but then voting me just now after I also said I was role confirmable. It’s blatant hypocrisy right there.
If one of them claims something protective, I'll reevaluate. Why haven't you tagged Banana yourself? Here, I'll do it for you. In the meantime, I'm working based off the info I have.
Banana shows up at night anyways and I’ve been juggling 50 things at once at work while trying to play this game.
Avoider really isn't all that different from Brave Townie imo. And it's not the only role where you have to select the NKer for it to be effective. Shield (on MafiaScum) is like that as well.
But it’s negative utility as well, which is the key differentiator. If Wylted chooses a Cop and Cop chooses him, Cop is effectively roleblocked. Shield and Brave Townie are solely positive utility for town.
Mine is actually super weak. And I'm not ignoring the case for scum Savant, I just believe in town Savant more. It's half deduction, half gut feeling.
Is it at the very least there? Savant’s isn’t even there. What microbes is he talking about? I couldn’t find anything on Google about it.
Since when do you care about being confirmable? Being confirmable means jack shit. Plus, you said it's mostly useless, right?
I’m pointing out Savant’s hypocrisy. He put Wylted in the 100% town pile after he claimed Avoider because it was role confirmable. Now after I claimed that, he doesn’t do that with me as well. Why?
If you even agreed with one part of the case I am not sure why your vote wasn't on mharman prior to his claim.
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@WyIted
You guys don't understand. It's not about agreeing and it honestly took a long time for you to just say it feels like confirmation bias like maybe I am more inclined to call something fluff in his scum game that I could interpret differently in his town game to maybe subconsciously justify to myself the read. It took a while but that's something.I don't care about being right at all. I just want to be understood.It drives me crazy when people do not understand me or misinterpret me, and I hope you guys feel like I am engaging with the premises behind your reads when you give them
I don't know how to respond to this, other than point out that it makes me feel you are probably town even more so. All I can say is you have a case, and ultimately it doesn't convince me. I've pointed out the reasons why, and I am sorry if you feel I am misunderstanding you, I am not just dismissing these points out of hand, though to me they just generally aren't that hard hitting, and he has enough town tells that make it hard for me to see it. I don't think I am misunderstanding you, just see it from a different POV is all.
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@Lunatic
You’re wasting your time responding to Wylted. Look at my most recent post
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@WyIted
If you even agreed with one part of the case I am not sure why your vote wasn't on mharman prior to his claim.
The part I agreed with is that mharman doesn't seem as active and interested as scum, and while in the first few pages I can kind of see how it can be percieved that way, ultimately I don't think it's similar at all. I mean he is posting almost three times as much as he did in black ops, and he isn't as defensive as here as I remember him being in villainous villains and in black ops. Also he claimed a major protective role, which helps his case a ton. For him to be scum I also have to believe that savant is his scum buddy and they are attempting the gambit of the century, these are not the players I would expect to make said gambit either.
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@ILikePie5
What? Is your proposed scum team savant/wylted? I am confused.
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@iamanabanana
Banana, for right now, do you have a protective role? Yes or no.
Pie, I see you, and I will respond to you, but it's probably going to have to wait until I'm done with work for me to share all my thoughts. For right now, I'll just say that my own justification barely even makes sense. I think WF just wanted to include my role in the game (it is actually thematically appropriate).
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@Lunatic
What? Is your proposed scum team savant/wylted? I am confused.
Savant/X
Don’t know the partner yet.