Hardest times of your life

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Well you randomly decided to present female to the website. That was the only weird thing for a Catholic to do imho.

Either way God judges not me. I just would rate you high in terms of treatment of me. In fact, the fact you are so severely Conservative made me gain respect for conservatives on a subliminal level. There were many examples in life that came to a point where I began to realise I respect genuinely disciplined conservatives, what I dislike are the double standard ones that are libertarian.

We do still disagree on ethnocentrism, I am sure you are stronger on that than me. However, I learned why it matters. I realised why ethnic unity if not identity, is inevitably to anunified society. It is why black people form brotherhood and sisterhood among themselves after all.

I see ethnicity as a very abused term. Read its actual lexical origin, it never included racial features or had that as a minor point. Yet now, it is considered racist to associate actjal ethnic tendencies with the racial 'ethnicity'.

I see why ethnicity matters, I dont see why race necessarily does but because ethnicity has become synonymous with race, I guess I get where your type of political outlook is coming from.
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Man what did I do?

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Man what did I do?
Adaptable is into BDSM humiliation. He abuses users by reporting them in an attempt to legally shame and punish.
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@LucyStarfire
That actually might explain his behavior.
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That actually might explain his behavior.
It took me some time to connect. On his previous account, he repeatedly admitted to being into BDSM. Now, BDSM has many forms, but most common one is humiliation and punishment. After seeing how he falsely reported user Benjamin for terrorism and chased the poor kid off the site, and then left the site himself because proper punishment wasnt given to Benjamin, I realized his behavior is directly controlled by need to punish others. I thought he got over his BDSM urges when he said he became Christian, but then I realized he is now using Christianity to satisfy those urges. I find it amazing that he found the most legal way possible to actually abuse others constantly because he wants non-consensual BDSM and this is the only legal way to do it, by making moderators do the punishment and humiliation while he watches in satisfaction.
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That is not what is going on.

BDSM that is nonconsensual is just rape and isnt actual BDSM.
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he wants non-consensual BDSM and this is the only legal way to do it, by making moderators do the punishment and humiliation while he watches in satisfaction.
No that's not what I meant.

I meant that he (may) embarrass himself and those he successfully solicits on purpose because he gets off on doing things that other people find shameful.

It's really not any kind of normal motivation that makes someone beg to be a mod for years and then immediately start an escalating chain of events which only a profoundly stupid person would fail to predict would end in disaster.


It would make sense if he was trying to make himself and the people he conned look shameful, and that is a kink. Specifically part of sadomasochism, satisfaction at social disapproval.
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It's really not any kind of normal motivation that makes someone beg to be a mod for years and then immediately start an escalating chain of events which only a profoundly stupid person would fail to predict would end in disaster.
He has more than just one kink which turns him on. He will bait people here into bullying him and shaming him. But he also likes to abuse people legally but non-consensually. My best guess is that he was punished as a kid and teen to the point where his sexuality got strongly connected to punishment, shaming and humiliation. He has autism, so he was obviously bullied as a kid, and that bullying turned into something more for him.
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Then what is going on?
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Worst years of my life were from 21 to 29. Lost my driving privileges for 8 years because of drag racing and driving on suspended license to many times. Road a bicycle everywhere for 8 years strait. That's how I got thru it. Just sucked it up and did what I had to do or go to prison and lose my driving privileges for life if ever caught driving again without a valid drivers license. Losing your driving privileges in my view is the most debilitating and opportunity killing thing that could ever happen to you. I think worse than being a convicted felon, at least a felon can still drive.
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I don't think I've ever had the serious desire to kill myself.

My theory is that people tend to cope with stress by directing aggressive thoughts/actions either toward themselves (i.e. they have "self-defeating personalities") or toward things or people external to themselves. Suicidal types are usually of the former kind. I'm of the latter. That's just how it goes; you don't control which camp you fall into. I suspect people of the former type are morally better, so I'm not saying this from a place of perceived superiority.

I guess it also helps that I haven't suffered objectively severe hardship in my life to date. My health's still pretty good despite my terrible lifestyle. At most I sometimes feel overwhelmed by work, but that stress immediately goes away once I've caught up.
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Road a bicycle everywhere for 8 years strait.
I have family in Europe who do that. They have like one car between 8 people. Very fit.

In USA where they expect you to drive 30km to work, not so fun. (Also USA public transit is like 1/5th the usability of the one in this country).
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I know people that have felt both.

I am not sure your dichotomy is entirely correct.

I think if we talk self harm specifically, then you are onto something. Suicidal ideation hits sadists too, not solely masochists.
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Also RIP Lannan13.

Idk if the 13 is correct.

I will remember you.

RIP Ajab... You died devout Muslim, idk if you end in heaven. I still pray you somehow slipped into purgatory instead of Hell and considered Jesus in final hours.

I will pray to Father and Jesus for you both. Idk if that helps but Catholicism says we should try as it can help convince God you helped the living that remained after. Idk about that but I will pray.
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RIP Bladerunner, I think you were Jewish.

Will pray.
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Did these people all comment suicide?

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Another reason for suicide is disappointment. Many people killed themselves out of the fact that they lost, didn’t get a satisfaction, or even just disappointed about something so small. 
Quite a shame really 
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What was that one time everything was shit?
What the fuck helped you not kill yourself.
Nothing but mom. If she weren't around, I'd've done it. No question.
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Looking through my USBs, 'finally found my DDO file.
Some talks I had in the Topic: Record attempt at most posts,
On such a topic.
Not 'quite a copy and paste, but 'most of it is. Of a few different posts.


I've found for me, it feels nice to smile at adversity, or even give a laugh.
Though adversity doesn't really tend to appreciate it. Especially if your adversity is an actual person. Haha.
Either Gallows humor, or as defiance I'd suppose.
If I can laugh at a situation, I feel a bit more in control of myself than overwhelmed. So long as it's more resigned/accepting that the situation exists. Able to go about changing or enduring the situation without feeling so anxious or down. Not the hysterical laughter type.
Though sometimes it's also been a way for me to passive aggressively express anger or contempt, which isn't really a positive act. Counterproductive usually if getting along or cooperation is one's goal.
Well, whether with people in general it's not a great tactic to upset them intentionally.
Smiling in an argument/confrontation tends to do that with some.

Avoiding toxic peers can work 'sometimes, who they are, can make it easier or harder to distance yourself. But take what you can sometimes.
For people and places you can't, just have to be smart about what you say, mindful of what social interaction entails for better outcomes.

Doing what one 'can to improve their situation helps I think, even little bits.
If one sucks at their job, 'actually work to improve at it, until the failure or subpar performance isn't an embarrassment.

If one always puts oneself down though, like a river it becomes more and more entrenched as it digs a deeper stream. Takes time to dam up a negative direction, get a river coursing another direction, and even then it's going to take time for the water to cut a firm enough channel that it can flow easier in a more positive direction.

Same idea as you are what you eat, or as some Cherokee supposedly put it

The Wolf You Feed
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people.
He said, "My son, the battle is between two "wolves" inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other is good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"
The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."

People 'vary, on what their 'Rocks are I imagine,
Sometimes it's intensely personal, Pride and Ego in oneself, reviling such an ignoble end of giving up.
Sometimes  it's their Family, be it blood or people one has made a connection with. Whether a partner, a friend, even a coworker in arms.

Venting to people can help in relieving stress and anger I'd expect.
Which is good, as I expect people can only hold 'so much stress before it comes bursting out. Often in a terrible fashion.
It's not 'bad to bottle emotions up for a short time, sometimes there are events in life that we just have to get by first.
'As long as we find time later to let that stress out, so it doesn't keep building.
And there's positive and negative ways to do that.
Ways that are only short term and the stress is right back,
Ways that are long term and manage to keep the stress away, though they can be slow.

Personally I feel relieved sharing my trust with people I don't know, because they are incapable of effecting my life in any way.
If I tell them something bad, it's not going to get back to my situation. Well, unless people in my hypothetical situation know what forums I post on.
Though unknown people have biases, they don't have any about me. Meeting for the first time and all that.
It's nice that one doesn't feel tied down by people on the internet, by obligation, though it 'can happen. Usually doesn't I'd say.

Sharing with people one knows can be better other times, 'because we know them. Ideally someone that we trust, that has had our back before, and we theirs.
People who have the 'same understanding of your situation, or at least understanding of circumstance and situation. Sometimes with a slight different perspective than your own, able to show you something you couldn't see before.
People one actually knows in person, it's more intimate, facial expressions, body language, 'being there.
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Advice on coping, well for example, there's this handout I had at work once,

Shedding Negative Thought Patterns
In order to combat distorted thinking patterns, you must learn to leave your negative thoughts behind. Mark Twain once quipped "Life does not consist mainly - or even largely of facts and happenings. It consists mainly of the storm of thoughts that are forever blowing through one's head." True, but the trick is not to stop the ongoing storm of thoughts, but rather to change the nature from destructive to positive and life enhancing ones. When that happens, you've made a giant step toward living a better life based on your positive self esteem and the personal confidence to deal effectively with life's problems.

Humans think lot, 'most the time. We have situations that trigger a response based on our beliefs/thoughts/interpretations of the situation. And actions/consequences for how we act/behave.

As you commit yourself to eliminating these negative ways of thinking, you must understand two factors. First, these unhelpful thinking patterns are much more likely to emerge when you are fatigued or highly stressed, or when there is a significant problem facing you. These situations weaken your ability to cope and contribute to distorted thinking. Ironically, these bad thinking habits emerge when there"s a problem, and that"s exactly when effective coping responses are needed most. When things are going reasonably well, they may not be apparent at all.

If coping skills are for crisis and difficult times in life, a lot of times, people won't have very good practice with them, as they might only use them when a crisis comes about. Meaning that it can be important to practice and have an ability to use them in times 'before a crisis occurs, so you can use them well.= when the time comes.
Other times it's simply harder to preform in a crisis, 'because it's a stressful situation. Easier to juggle practicing by oneself than on stage. But people can get used to preforming under pressure with practice.
If a skill doesn't work for an individual, it's possible it's just not the right fit. But it's also possible that it's like riding a bicycle for the first time. It takes practice before one can do it well, but once mastered it can make a task easier.

Also, many people do not experience these thought disorders with all problems. These habits instead tend to emerge when a problem touches on an area of personal vulnerability or emotional sensitivity. By noticing exactly when distorted patterns emerge, you can pinpoint unresolved personal conflicts, thereby enhancing your personal awareness. These emotional "soft spots" clearly call for strengthened coping skills.

Not everyone has the same problems or difficulties in life.

How do you get rid of these self-defeating ways of thinking? It can be done, but will require self-awareness, patience, practice and support.
Here are some helpful hints:

(1) Verbalize your thoughts when a problem occurs.
To build awareness of distorted thinking, think out loud when you have a problem. You may even need to record yourself and play it back. If you have a trusted friend you could run your thoughts past them to see how they sound when said aloud to another person. You may be very surprised at how negative and self-defeating your thoughts actually are. Remember that these thoughts reinforce negative perceptions of you and reality

Sometimes people get so used to a certain way of thinking, that they might not even notice they do it, or think about how it's making them feel.
But if a person thought to themself a hundred times in a day, "I'm a bad person, I can't do anything right."
How do you think they're going to feel?
Compared to a person who thought to themself a hundred times in a day, "I'm a good person, I did this well today."

It 'is important for beliefs about oneself to have truth in them, else even if they're positive affirmations we won't believe them.
But it's hard for a person or life to consist 'only of the bad.
Or for many people 'mainly of the bad.

And like that whole Native American wolf story I talked about earlier, the one we feed only grows stronger. If we aren't doing as well as we'd like, I don't think it makes us stronger or more likely to succeed by blinding ourselves to the positive parts of ourselves.
I think it makes us stronger to affirm what is good and strong within us. To build it up that is grows ever stronger.

(2) Do not project thoughts onto other people.
It"s easy to attribute unfairly negative thoughts to loved ones or close friends. To eliminate distorted thinking, first take full responsibility for your thoughts. Then open yourself to give other people a chance to care about you.

It's easy to lash out when we're under stress. Easy to think badly of others and their intentions.
Sometimes it's true. Family and friends 'can be toxic and do poorly by us. Don't ignore such if true.
But 'because it's easier to 'perceive such, rather than it to be true.
It can be important to be 'aware of it. To not jump to rash conclusions are statements.
Important to consider other possibilities, then act.

(3) Work on one habit at a time.
Most people are prone to several different negative thought patterns. To tackle them all at once is usually self-defeating. Instead, identify one distorted thinking habit and work on that one alone until it is eliminated. Then move onto another one until you overcome all of them.

I think this is true of much of life.
It can be difficult to multitask and solve multiple problems at once.
And if none of them get fixed, a situation can be as difficult or greater than before.
While if one weight is removed, the rest is easier to bear.
And becomes easier and easier to bear as one problem at a time is removed.

(4) Act as if you are completely competent and in control (Fake it until you make it!)
In the beginning, force yourself to do this in lieu of negative thinking in order to give new ways of relating to a problem a chance. You will feel better because problems don't seem so overwhelming, and you are coping more effectively. "What you say to yourself, you become."

If you're in trouble, or don't know how to accomplish a task DON'T Act as if you are completely competent and in control. Might make the situation worse.
There 'are moments in life one has to simply struggle through as they learn, the task becoming easier each time they complete it or fail. Knowledge gained either way.
And many times we can only learn how to ride a bicycle by failing a few times.
But it's better to try/learn something with other peoples help.
Safer and more practical.

The first time I ever tried leading a group at my job, I pretty much said, I don't know what to say.
I didn't know what the procedures were, what my superiors expected me to teach.
But eventually as I learned my job, and went ahead trying even when I felt uncomfortable.
I 'became comfortable, able to talk easy and do my job.
Even though I didn't quite know what I was doing until I had done it some number of times.

(5) Use thought-stopping as a technique.
When you find yourself slipping into distorted thinking, internally shout to yourself, "STOP!"
STOP -> THINK "> Then TALK/ACT

For some people, negative trains of thought can be difficult to derail or turn away to constructive thought. So they try being more active of their thoughts and 'forcibly turning them to positive directions or activities.
Until the negative thought process is no longer a habit for them.

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(6) Practice positive affirmations.
Even when you feel good, it"s helpful to make self-reinforcing statements. However, these need to be realistic and practical. Saying "everything will be wonderful in the end" may not be helpful, because sometimes things do not turn out this way. However, saying "No matter what obstacles are thrown at me, I am strong enough to overcome them" is quite different. Whether you initially believe it or not, practicing saying it aloud will reinforce those beliefs and you will start to believe them. No matter where you are, keep your self-affirming thoughts going.

It's good to be aware of and remind ourselves about what makes us good people.
Everyone has faults, but we shouldn't forget we have virtues as well.
Which 'can be easy to forget when we are in bad situations and thought, and all is mired around us.
Remembering what is true and good about ourselves however, can help lift us up from depressed circumstance and thought.

(7) Put positive suggestions by others into practice.
It is often helpful to ask for and really listen to feedback from your partner or a good friend. When you do, make it a point not become defensive, because receiving feedback often triggers negative thinking. You may find yourself gaining insight into how to cope more effectively.

Criticism can be hard to take, even if someone is 'trying to give positive criticism.
We can be thin skinned or feel vulnerable under other peoples perception and 'advice.
Some advice 'is toxic and unhelpful, but that's not reason to discard the good with the ill.
Discard the bad, but keep what you find 'does help you.

(8) Separate yourself from negatively thinking peers.
Often negative perceptions are reinforced by friends, especially when discussing personal or relationship struggles. If you need to talk it out, find one upbeat friend who is helpful to use as a sounding board.

Some friends, family, coworkers, situations, a person separate themselves from so easy.
When a person has a job, they 'have to work with their coworkers, but they don't have to be the friends one hangs with during break or after work.
One just needs to be aware of how others 'do effect them, and do what they can to mitigate it.

Bottom line: It"s very difficult, if not impossible, to live life happily when you feel insecure, unloved, distrustful of others, and threatened by events around you. But most of these feelings you create yourself. You can"t change the world, but you can change yourself and the way you perceive life events.

Certain situations 'are more likely to cause certain feelings than others.
But not everyone responds to situations in the same manner.
If someone cuts in front of you in traffic, or scratches your car. Some people might erupt in road rage, others in calm acceptance.
The difference then, 'isn't the situation, but the people. The car did not 'make anyone feel any certain way. But how the 'people chose to perceive, feel, and respond to the event.

Advice from people should be taken with a grain of salt, I think myself. 'Especially if they are someone unfamiliar with you or your situation. In the end any actions and results are yours. Just something you have to rely on your own judgement on whether it's a correct way of looking at a situation or acting. Because what advice one 'should take, or 'how they go about it does depend on their situation, what type of person they are, and if the advice was any good. Or if it can be tweaked a bit to suit.

Acting should only be at most a 'temporary way of coping (I think) though.
I forced myself to act through my job in the beginning, because I knew I'd be able to learn more that way, make some mistakes, but correct them and improve until I stopped 'having to act.
Sometimes one has a bad day, but one still has to work so they act and force through.
BUT, if every day is bad, and one doesn't expect anything to change by just 'acting. Then 'acting as a coping skill IS NOT WORKING. For the situation or how we feel about it, something else needs to change as well.
Whether the actions we take, how we think, how we perceive, or the situation itself. Though some of this changes itself with time.

It depends 'what a person wants to reign in about themselves.
How one would go about it.

What makes you good, is something that you can answer best.
If it helped, you could make it a task to put together even just 10 items/thoughts about positive aspects/skills/strengths about yourself.
It's harder to 'make such a list when one feels down about themselves, or in a difficult situation. But is because it can be harder to see one's positives in such a situation, 'not because they're not there.

First time I heard this story below was in a book Mission at Nuremberg by an American chaplain talking about his life experiences before and during war some.

"It is said an Eastern monarch once charged his wise men to invent him a sentence, to be ever in view, and which should be true and appropriate in all times and situations. They presented him the words: "And this, too, shall pass away." How much it expresses! How chastening in the hour of pride! How consoling in the depths of affliction! And this, too, shall pass away."

I think it's comforting when people can see a light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak. To know/believe that the darkness will eventually lift. That we have good times ahead as well. That suffering we experience in life occurs for a purpose/reason.


'New thoughts, not from 5 years ago in the Topic: Record attempt at most posts?
Eh, people have desires, 

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My health's still pretty good despite my terrible lifestyle.
What is your terrible lifestyle?
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Probably after my first love dumped me and got with somebody else, my dad died, disinherited me and left everything to my little brother, and I was living out of my car and working 80 hours a week.
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Probably after my first love dumped me and got with somebody else, my dad died, disinherited me and left everything to my little brother, and I was living out of my car and working 80 hours a week
You had love in life? And dad too?

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Did your brother help?
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No. They dont care. Sister (single mom got laid off) and her kids ended up homeless after they went to the richer ones for help when they were getting evicted. Fam dont give a shit so I dont bother asking. They talk about the problem being people having a "sense of entitlement" and how "society is setup for the business owners"
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It was a long time ago. It doesnt really bother me much anymore.
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It was a long time ago. It doesnt really bother me much anymore.
I never had a dad or any love. But I turned out fine.
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Do you want your sister and you as well as her children to be saved, souls especially?
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I'm very sedentary and I eat copious amounts of sugar and fat, and I often stay up to 3 AM. I make an effort to run maybe 3 times a week, but in the last few weeks I've hit a rut and can't push myself to the level of intense workout I was at before. But even with where I was before, that's not enough to make up for an entire day of sitting, basically every day. I do try to eat a handful of spinach every night, but I'm not consistent in doing this and even then it wouldn't make up for my terrible diet.