Skyrim Mafia Day 1

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I made the same case when it happened to me and trolled them till I got bored. Policing how people play is dumb. 

I do agree if someone is behaving anti town. You just kill them and move on. 

He thinks it’s anti town 
I don’t 

It’s all perception 
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@ILikePie5
So you’re counterclaiming Wylted?
It was a hypothetical, but sure why not. I'll counterclaim WyIted or whoever else you want.
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@Savant
I don't have to convince anyone if you don't have the votes to lynch me guaranteed. And it's not a guarantee because it could be a bluff, I have no way of knowing.

Okay, we will just wait then. Ultra has also said he will hammer I think. Just a waiting game at this point
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Luna and I will vote you every game as a policy lynch. I suspect others will join me as well.
Yeah, and what if Mikal joins me? Which of us are you going to policy lynch?
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Yeah, and what if Mikal joins me? Which of us are you going to policy lynch?
Both of you. As Mikal said, Luna has done it before. I’m happy to join him.
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Both of you.
So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?
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So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?
If you refuse to claim, yes
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that’s basically lylo mafia. Would be interesting tbh 

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@Mikal
that’s basically lylo mafia. Would be interesting tbh 
Assuming neither of you are scum, yep.
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Why not just ban them from signups?

Why let them enter?
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That would be some fun games. 


Tbf id probably claim. I’ll just never tell the truth. 
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So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?
If you refuse to claim, yes
You have RM, so you would need 2 other people on board (unless one of you is hosting, but I suppose you might just blacklist me). Let's see if you achieve that.
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Why not just ban them from signups?

Why let them enter?
Cause at the worst we just get a LYLO game. And DP2 we also may have results that could shape our actions. But the odds one of them is scum is 22% just based on random chance. 
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Surprised Luna is going along with the mass claim. I think it makes sense. Just not sure a town Luna would agree and figured I’d have to fight more 
Ah you missed all the times I tried pushing mass claims and got in giant flame wars with drafterman than
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@Savant
Just fake claim. Easier solution and then it’s their fault if they keep doing it 
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@Savant
No ue doesnt, Ill just boycott.

Theres a reason I avoided it. It sucks the joy out if a day too with players like you in the gams.

This is now an unpleasant chore, ruining my day stressing me out. It could be a fun game but players like you ruin it.

In your exact shoes, I fullclaimed. So shut up talking to me about double standards.
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When I was pressuring you a few games back two games in a row. You got to a spot where you told me to fuck off and just lynch you basically. Everyone gets there. My point is lynching him to prove a point is something scum would do or allow to happen 
Mikal’s logic seems worse than usual this game. Wondering if that’s a scum tell or a dumb tell.

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My vote on savant is not for policy reasons. My thoughts mirror both RMs and Casey's but the reason Casey gave me holds heavier weight. I said between games before this even started the moment savant rolls scum he won't have the patience for that shit, but there are also legitimate concerns about his behavior irrespective of that
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@Lunatic
Its both. How this guy rose to top of DDO baffles me.
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Mikal’s logic seems worse than usual this game. Wondering if that’s a scum tell or a dumb tell.
Shitty logic was his scumtell in your game I think. 
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Ok guys, I feel bad. I've actually been trolling this whole time, but it got way more heated than I was expecting, so sorry for that.

I'm 1x lynchproof. So someone can just put a vote on me now and confirm my role. Again, sorry for dragging things out this long.
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So...literally the same thing you're accusing me of? If you policy lynch me rather than playing to my win con, is that not "game throwing" by your standard? I mean it's a strategy meant to encourage certain long-term behavior, which is the same as what my strategy is. Why is it game throwing when I do it but not when you do it?
It’s not fair, and no you’re not being held to a different standard. I tried pulling this garbage years ago and I rightly had the same crap done to me. I’ve since seen the light. It’s game breaking to let one person do something that no one else can do,  fourtrouble had a similar thing he would do where he wouldn’t play games if he rolled scum and people got pissed at him for that. It allows you easy scum games and it’s just not fair
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@Savant
Character and Justification?
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@Lunatic
It’s game breaking to let one person do something that no one else can do
And whose fault is it that "no one else" can do this?
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Character and Justification?
Irrelevant, my role is confirmable.
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Fine, if this is gonna be another big fight, I'm Hadvar and I escaped when Alduin interrupted Ulfric's execution. So I can escape executions basically.
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Self to confirm it. 
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Okay goal accomplished. 


If savant is scum. Luna is his partner 
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Wanted to see when he actually gave a justification because Luna actually was afk all weekend and coudnt post. 


Was curious if he would throw something out when Luna started actively posting and they both were around at the same time 
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Self to confirm it.
After all this trouble, just self-voting to confirm my role wouldn't feel earned.