Skyrim Mafia Day 1

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Initial read is 

scum is probably wf +1 (maybe Luna)
Rm + savant 
Or 
Wylted pie 



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@whiteflame
I am good with it. You can be 4th vote.
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@Mikal
Rm + savant 
Mafia is not your forte.

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Fine, I'll let others decide on who should do the hammer.

VTL Savant
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The death tunnel at this point is just odd. Low-key wonder if this is a odd buss attempt 

Wf is non committal and is willing to kill savant when he said before he wasn’t sold and read the frustration wa genuine 

Surprised Luna is going along with the mass claim. I think it makes sense. Just not sure a town Luna would agree and figured I’d have to fight more 


Wylted and pie still could be doing a gambit. I think this is less likely but still possible. 


Casey and Savant are the only two that feel really town to me atm

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VTL whiteflame 

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@Mikal
Bussing with 9 players.

Actively bypassing a push for massclaim, voting off my partner at same time.

Outing fast and Savant instabusses after Wylted.

Dp2 or DP3 Id have to claim my Dream and justify why I am still alive.

Sure.

I fakeclaiemd that fast ready for themesplit to be unsolved?

Nice theory (not)
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@whiteflame
I am not changing my vote. Dont buckle to Mikal.
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@Mikal
Wf is non committal and is willing to kill savant when he said before he wasn’t sold and read the frustration wa genuine 
I've made clear what my reason is for pursuing Savant's lynch at this point. It's also been made very clear to me, multiple times by Pie, AR and Luna, that we're almost certainly not getting out of this DP with a lynch if it isn't on Savant. I still think he's behaviorally town, but I'm not just going to refuse to vote him based on my own read.

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I said it’s an option. I also find it hard to believe someone is so tunnel visioned. Even I’m not this bad. 

So there is a possibility of fishing for town cred and him dying offering scum something. Think it’s not likely but possible. 
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More likely it’s the god complex thing and you are not capable of backing down off a read 
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What 

You behavior read him as town but are just conceding because RM is being stubborn. Nah I don’t buy that 
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What 

You behavior read him as town but are just conceding because RM is being stubborn. Nah I don’t buy that 
You can call it a concession, but I recognize that being intransigent about my own reads may well cost us the ability to even get a lynch this DP. That, and I think Pie and Luna in particular have a good point about how it's a pretty bad precedent to set that anyone can just skate by without claiming at L-1 if they're frustrated enough with how previous games have gone.
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Ill take this as my answer from earth, I am assuming you already asked him if there was fake claims and he said no
He said it in signups 
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@Lunatic
The difference between me and pie, is that I won't black list you, ill just support lynching you every game, or just straight up killing you as scum and ensure you have a horrible time playing in every game until you stop this sh1t. We've done it before to people who tried this nonsense we will do it again. I suggest pie changes his mind and join me in the attempt to just lynch you in every game instead of quitting mafia. 
Ya I’m comfortable doing that. Odds are that he roles scum one game anyways. Policy lynch is the way 
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So the argument is lynch a person you town read to prove a point or lynch a person you town read because after (24 hours) you think we won’t get another lynch because RM is being stubborn. You know we don’t need RM to Lynch anyone. You just ignore him and move on.  

I’m not sure I buy either of these as plausible or something you would do. Maybe more the first but I feel like you genuinely town reading him is a reason to resist a policy lynch. 
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So the argument is lynch a person you town read to prove a point or lynch a person you town read because after (24 hours) you think we won’t get another lynch because RM is being stubborn. You know we don’t need RM to Lynch anyone. You just ignore him and move on.  

I’m not sure I buy either of these as plausible or something you would do. Maybe more the first but I feel like you genuinely town reading him is a reason to resist a policy lynch. 
How do you plan on getting 5 votes on someone else without Me, Wylted, Luna, and RM? Cause whoever you vote will not vote themselves for the hammer.
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I mean if you guys are going to throw by doing a dumb policy lynch that’s on you. I just think scum is either heavily on the wagon or not participating at all and I actually think whiteflame would resist that 


I think Connor is half right. I don’t think I’ve learned my lesson. Just when I think town is being annoying. I will sac a game to prove a point. And if I get policy lynched enough, I just go back to not playing or playing of mafia scum/ or epic mafia when I get an itch. I can see connors reason and I buy it because it’s typically his thought process. I don’t buy it for whiteflame. 


I think whiteflame would push back a bit on a genuine town read instead of bandwagoning a policy lynch. And when you guys inevitably do it to me in the following dp. I’m going to lie about my role or refuse to claim as well and mafia will either be leading the policy lynches or just sitting back laughing watching town bury itself 
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@Mikal
How old are you to be acting like a spoilt brat?

You know it really amuses me how you all think I am that guy.

Never once can you show me active GTing in all these forums.
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There are a voupke or 3 very very rare times where my partner as scum was sonutterly bad, toxic, stupid etc that all the game was becoming was prolonged torture as we both were doomed.

In these situations I maybe cracked. That was when I was younger than now though.
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I converted to Catholicism so I’m doing gods work 
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@Mikal
So the argument is lynch a person you town read to prove a point or lynch a person you town read because after (24 hours) you think we won’t get another lynch because RM is being stubborn. You know we don’t need RM to Lynch anyone. You just ignore him and move on.  

I’m not sure I buy either of these as plausible or something you would do. Maybe more the first but I feel like you genuinely town reading him is a reason to resist a policy lynch. 
I didn't say I'm taking this stance because RM, specifically, is stubborn. He's not the only one on this wagon. If he was, I probably would just move on.

This is hardly the first time I've set aside my own read to achieve something in a DP rather than just being the one who refuses to go along. I spent a great deal of yesterday pushing back against this lynch, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that my opposition is doing anything valuable when I don't have any scumreads.
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@Mikal
I mean if you guys are going to throw by doing a dumb policy lynch that’s on you. I just think scum is either heavily on the wagon or not participating at all and I actually think whiteflame would resist that 


I think Connor is half right. I don’t think I’ve learned my lesson. Just when I think town is being annoying. I will sac a game to prove a point. And if I get policy lynched enough, I just go back to not playing or playing of mafia scum/ or epic mafia when I get an itch. I can see connors reason and I buy it because it’s typically his thought process. I don’t buy it for whiteflame. 


I think whiteflame would push back a bit on a genuine town read instead of bandwagoning a policy lynch. And when you guys inevitably do it to me in the following dp. I’m going to lie about my role or refuse to claim as well and mafia will either be leading the policy lynches or just sitting back laughing watching town bury itself 
That’s a fine. Neither of us moving off of the lynch. If Savant wants to throw, then I’ll throw too. Doesn’t make much of a difference to me anyways. Sorry Earth
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It’s the why. RM is doing RM things. There other 2 people are on it because of policy. So 3/4 on this don’t even really think he’s scum 

You don’t think he’s scum 
Luna is trying to start a policy lynch 
Pie is proving a point 
RM is the only one who scum reads him 


So we are going to potentially tank a game because someone is being stubborn. When I was pressuring you a few games back two games in a row. You got to a spot where you told me to fuck off and just lynch you basically. Everyone gets there. My point is lynching him to prove a point is something scum would do or allow to happen 

So yeah. Either that wagon is likely all town or mostly scum 

Or scum is just vibing 


Maybe 

Pie wylted 
Luna wf 
Or Casey and the other guy I don’t know 


I think it sets up like that. I don’t think savant is scum. 
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He’s better than me. I’d just hammer myself and laugh 

Anyone I’m done playing this until we decide if we mass claim or until next day phase. This is now annoying me and I’m going to start being a dick 
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I think it sets up like that. I don’t think savant is scum. 
You’re wasting time. You’re never getting 5 votes on anyone else. Hammer Savant and let’s move on 
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He’s better than me. I’d just hammer myself and laugh 

Anyone I’m done playing this until we decide if we mass claim or until next day phase. This is now annoying me and I’m going to start being a dick 
I already posted the vote count. It’s a no for today. I’ll change my vote tomorrow to yes, idrc
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Nah on policy. I’m also refusing to claim 

So we don’t need to do the mass claim. You guys can figure out the game. 
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I’ll jump on the wagon to run the game off the cliff. 

/in
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Anyone back next day phase. 

Gl