Feminist Mafia Day 1

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@AdaptableRatman
Do you know how bluffing works?

The fact I was scumread was ideal too but I got too scumread

I needed mafia to believe that I was frameable andeave me for later or to waste investigations on me
Assuming you are town, you played this in the worst way possible and created more doubt for town then was neccesary, because the end result was still the same, you still claimed, but because you lied so much created so much confusion, its much harder to believe you  are town, and mafia will still know you are innocent child. That's why I said lying and pulling all that crap is always anti town unless you know what you are doing enough to pull it off. 
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I'll unvote but I'm not happy about it. 

It's not just the lying but also the absurd OMGUS and obstinance. 
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@Lunatic
You played decent if scum terrible if town.

Had I had any worse claim here that left me able to be doubted later or a risk for Town, youd have succeeded in getting me out. I bluffed well. You took the bait.
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@Mikal
On god we need to stop fluff. Get off RM go to another target.  Entertaining anything he says is dumb. His reads are all over the place and largely no value 
We disagree on all of our other targets and I already said I don't see the need to push more claims. Your other scum reads are exactly me and wf as you;ve said a hundred times. I know I am town, and I town read whiteflame. So we are at an impasse. 


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This can be very possible a stall. If he is anything other than innocent, he dies 

If you have a vig , don’t use it 
We also have to wait to resolve ultra after RM is confirmed or not confirmed. 


Next best target is wf for me 
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Im fine at looking at others. But Barney has not played. Casey is mostly inactive for now 

Waiting to see more 


I can’t discuss wf or I get modkilled. But I feel more sure of WF
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@Mikal
why are you wanting to cut read a mod confirmable role? When he flips You deal With it then 
Claim =/= behavior, also there is not a better target and we need to lynch someone. 

Luna pushing so hard on this is really pinging me as strange as it makes literally no sense to kill Him early as it resolves itself later. 
You literally had to abandon your other highest scum read in ultra just to cede the point that this could end before dp3... lol
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Just trust me and vote Luna here.

I think the team is actuall Luna and Barney.

The one reason I am beginning to tr wylted is he firstly did help reduce pressure to hard force my claim  by unvoting when I strongly hinted and he even tried to disprove my char being IC why woukd he do that knowing id be fully confirmed dp3... Its ridiculous right?
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I didnt abandon it, im saying resolve it later. I think it’s a 50/50 with him or RM and rms confirmation gives info 

I agree if there isn’t a better target someone has to
Die. I’d volunteer myself before you kill the person who is saying they literally can mod confirm. It’s either a guaranteed scum kill or a 100 percent town lock. Going on that direction until it resolves makes no sense 
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Looks like I've lost support for the RM lynch. We need to find another lynch. Lately its just me AR and mikal dominating the conversation, so I would like some more thoughts from the peanut gallery since we have to find a new lynch target. 
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Votes:

Ratman (2/5): Lunatic, Casey
Lunatic (1/5): Ratman
Whiteflame (1/5): Mikal
Ultra (1/5): Mharman
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@Mikal

Luna blatantly hoped I faked the IC and that I was a less confirmable role.

He needed that to be the case. He wanted me gone. I saw him as scum and he knows I am relentless and he knew Id be dangerous later given my hints at my role.

He mimicked your reasoning to justify voting me and gaslit me
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I am debating if this is some Policy stance for town Luna or if scum Luna does not want a town lock. 


I am really struggling to see Luna as town not understanding the value of having this resolve itself and making the argument to kill you cus someone has to die. It’s very odd 
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@Mikal

You are letting your friendship blind you.

That is my honest belief here. Lunatic blatantly is thinking like scum. You can see it you said so yourself.
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@Mikal
I didnt abandon it, im saying resolve it later. I think it’s a 50/50 with him or RM and rms confirmation gives info 

I agree if there isn’t a better target someone has to
Die. I’d volunteer myself before you kill the person who is saying they literally can mod confirm. It’s either a guaranteed scum kill or a 100 percent town lock. Going on that direction until it resolves makes no sense 

Well either way doesn't look like RM is getting lynched so I guess it's a moot point. 
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I don’t think he’s scum for that. He’s wanting to utility or policy lynch you cus you played like shit 

The question is does town Luna do that to teach a lesson and tank? There is literally no reason to let you be alive and not resolve it the.  Even if you are scum and get to gloat. You only lived 2 more days and will die if you aren’t confirmed. 

That’s what’s getting me. Just killing to kill you cus we have to kill someone is not an argument I can see Luna making. 
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@Lunatic
Can you admit that tunnel seemed sus as shit? It’s either a policy kill to Teach him a lesson but not letting it resolve does not make sense cus it’s 100 percent kill or confirm 


I’m really struggling with you would not immediately see that instead of pushing back so hard on it 
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@Mikal
I am debating if this is some Policy stance for town Luna or if scum Luna does not want a town lock.
I am really struggling to see Luna as town not understanding the value of having this resolve itself and making the argument to kill you cus someone has to die. It’s very odd

He lied about his role 50 times, whereas if he would have come clean immediately he would be in the same situation except I would believe him, all this was done to fool the mafia but he still just comes clean in the end after pulling all that crap? his behavior was drastically different the entire time. Anyways you have your mind made up I am scum, you've been saying it all day phase, I don't think me being consistent on this argument is really deepening your read on me. You literally agreed with this read earlier. If you think I am scum that's fine, Idk what to tell you. 
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@AdaptableRatman
Last game you were convinced Casey was innocent  and tunneled Savant until he got lynched. "just trust" you. 

Lunatic provided a clear, logical case against you and you 

You need to calm down
You're being too loud
And I'm just like ("Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh, oh")

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@Mikal
Can you admit that tunnel seemed sus as shit? 
I only tunnel as town. Find a recent game where I am scum and take a super hard stance. I usually waffle a lot as scum, and join the most convenient wagon, I almost never try to lead the town a direction as scum. 

It’s either a policy kill to Teach him a lesson but not letting it resolve does not make sense cus it’s 100 percent kill or confirm 
I’m really struggling with you would not immediately see that instead of pushing back so hard on it 
Because I town read the alternatives to the RM lynch, which seems to be WF and ultra, and I already said I didn't want to push for more claims when we already have a few on the table. Push for too many more and we might as well just mass claim. Me and you were literally able to game solve the biology game because town forced 5 claims in dp1 remember? 

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@Lunatic
You are in my pool. Doesn’t mean I can’t change my mind. You are above rm Ultra and wf 


I’m saying help me understand the thought process of you pushing him so hard. I agree his play is shit but I think you can admit his play is shit as both town and scum. So if there is a 100 percent way to confirm him or lock him, why would he need to Die outside of policy reasons?  I get the behavior thing. Fully agree with you. But if he’s lying he still dies. So why did it have to be now when there was a clear way to solve this and also likely Poe ultra later

Walk me through the thought process 
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@Mikal
Just killing to kill you cus we have to kill someone is not an argument I can see Luna making. 
If you literally think this is the argument I am making, then my fvcking forehead vein is about to bust in an anuerysm. Holy sh1t. 
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I see the intellect issues you talked about.
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Im Okay with that answer. It’s better than kill to kill and at least reason behind jt 
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@Lunatic
It is the argument you are making.
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@Lunatic
I make you a deal.

Barney.
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@Lunatic
Vote Barney, lets move.
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@Lunatic
Claim =/= behavior, also there is not a better target and we need to lynch someone. 
This is why I was saying that btw. No better target so kill the only option. We could Yolo lynch Ragnar and it’s still probably a better outcome. As again. He’s either 100 percent scum or 100 percent town. 


He is the last person we need to just lunch cus Poe 
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@Mikal
I’m saying help me understand the thought process of you pushing him so hard. I agree his play is shit but I think you can admit his play is shit as both town and scum. So if there is a 100 percent way to confirm him or lock him, why would he need to Die outside of policy reasons?  I get the behavior thing. Fully agree with you. But if he’s lying he still dies. So why did it have to be now when there was a clear way to solve this and also likely Poe ultra later

Walk me through the thought process 
I don't think it's just sh1t play, I think thats what he is trying to disguise it as, but his play is a stark contrast to his play in the last game. He hasn't explained a SINGLE scum read so far, and has been on me ever since I first voted for him. Since then at least 5 people have asked him to explain his scum read on me and he has outright refused to do so. This is the definition of OMGUS. 

Take your thoughts on my pressure of RM out of the equation and look at his scum reads in an isolate box. Can you even tell me why he scum reads anyone on list little list of three that he keeps repeating? He loves repeating his scum reads, but he has never bothered to explain any of them. 
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@Lunatic
Vote Barney or I stay on you. That is the literal deal.

You have 7 mins.