Pie is being pretty manipulative in post 237. Here's hoping people actually read the interaction instead of just bandwagon him though. He's over blowing it out of proportion.
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Town reading Anna more granted its very hard to tell. But feel like omgus from Her is prob a town tell
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@Mikal
Town reading Anna more granted its very hard to tell. But feel like omgus from Her is prob a town tell
I really don't think my read was omgus. I mean I explained why I switched my read on him. He randomly came to savants defense, after you had already pointed out that it was weird that savant came to his defense earlier when you reaction tested pie. I didn't even vote him, he accused me of town reading him and I listed multiple people including himself that weren't town reads for me, that happens to include him as well now.
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@iamanabanana
Yeah it’s hard for me to tell. In our game you enjoyed some of the arguing or sparring but that could be true for town you or scum you. But I think this is town because it came off as if you are offended you are being scum read vs just attacking to attack
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@Mikal
Yeah it’s hard for me to tell. In our game you enjoyed some of the arguing or sparring but that could be true for town you or scum you. But I think this is town because it came off as if you are offended you are being scum read vs just attacking to attack
Well yeah, arguing with you wasn't serious since we were on the same team, so it was kind of fun.
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@iamanabanana
I have been aggressive in other games as well, with cerulean when he was scum, with mharman when he was scum, etc. I am more aggressive in games when I am active. If I am not caught up, obviously I am not going to be aggressive because I don't know what's going on, and this is usually the case in the games I am playing. It's not that I am passive, it’s that I am not aware of whats going on most of the time. When I am, I pursue reads just like everyone else.
The reason why I scumread you even more is because you brought up the whole misogyny angle. Like I’m just doing this because you have XX chromosomes. It’s basically the exact same thing that happened in the game I caught you as scum.
I don't know why when he pushes people for soft claims it's townie, but when I do it, it's considered scummy lol.
This is just a blatant strawman. I never said I scum read you for pushing people to soft claim.
Also town wasn't informed of the theme in this game. Knowledge of the theme is actually kind of suspicious in my opinion. Especially since his theory appears to me correct for almost everyone so far.
So what are you implying?
I mentioned multiple people including mikal, earth, vader and ultra that I didn't town read yet as well, and somehow you latched on to me pointing one thing out about you as "OMGUS". This comes off as VERY defensive lol.
Earth, Vader, Ultra are all in my POE atm, so I agree with you there. I townread Mikal as well, and I’ve already explained why. It feels like you’re trying to break up the town block that I’m forming. Mikal isn’t scum. That means Savant isn’t. Oh wait that means Pie isn’t, so who’s scum?
He's limited himself to only being able to hammer. Which means he cannot take advantage of mislynches as easily. I do not see scum being willing to do that so readily.
Why doesn’t this just give him an excuse to hammer townies?
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@ILikePie5
Are you okay with having Wylted use his vote to test this
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@iamanabanana
Pie is being pretty manipulative in post 237. Here's hoping people actually read the interaction instead of just bandwagon him though. He's over blowing it out of proportion.
How is it “manipulative” to link the thread as evidence for everyone to read, so they in fact don’t have to just bandwagon me?
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@Mikal
Are you okay with having Wylted use his vote to test this
If you think he’s lying, why not just lynch him?
I don't remember much from my games with banana to provide substantial input on this conflict, but this aggressiveness definitely fits with Pie's behavior.
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@ILikePie5
Just curious if he’s bullshitting. Accomplishes the same thing and if he’s not dead. You really press
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@ILikePie5
The reason why I scumread you even more is because you brought up the whole misogyny angle. Like I’m just doing this because you have XX chromosomes. It’s basically the exact same thing that happened in the game I caught you as scum.
I do genuinely believe there was misogyny involved in that. That and you were using the fact that I was new against me. Either way that lynch was pretty manipulative. I think you happened to be right that I was scum there, but not for any actual real reasons. That said, all I mentioned is that you mansplaining to me why I am scum when I am town is kind of hilarious. Because I know I am town, so you trying to tell me otherwise is a bit ridiculous. Put yourself in my shoes and I think you would see what I mean.
This is just a blatant strawman. I never said I scum read you for pushing people to soft claim.]
I didn't say you specifically. But it's been discussed in this phase to by people that I only pursue soft claims as scum, and I pointed out that it's silly that savant gets towncred over it is all.
So what are you implying?
That the thing you are town telling him for isn't a town tell in this game specifically. It doesn't have to be a scum tell either, but at most it's neither.
Earth, Vader, Ultra are all in my POE atm, so I agree with you there. I townread Mikal as well, and I’ve already explained why. It feels like you’re trying to break up the town block that I’m forming. Mikal isn’t scum. That means Savant isn’t. Oh wait that means Pie isn’t, so who’s scum?
Tell me you don't think that town block is a little too convenient though? Like do you honestly think mafia don't have one active member, or member who you consider a veteran on it? It's not that I am trying to break up anyone's town block, but we need to think outside the box here. It would be extremely convenient if all the scum members were just inactives, or barely posting. I guess it's theoretically possible, but I am not going to ignore the behavior of the people who have been active as well, because that feels very narrow-minded.
Why doesn’t this just give him an excuse to hammer townies?
It could be, but you have to admit this makes it generally harder for him to accomplish lynches, no matter how you spin this. And wylted seems like the type that is usually pretty eager to get the day phase moving when he has his mind made up. You can see that in the bacteria game where he was pushing mharman. Claiming a role like this would be out of character for him. If he is scum, I would actually say that was a clever play by him because it contrasts how he usually plays.
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@ILikePie5
How is it “manipulative” to link the thread as evidence for everyone to read, so they in fact don’t have to just bandwagon me?
Because why would you assume they wouldn't just read the thread and form their own conclusions? You tagging people like that feels like you are trying to use your "popularity" and reputation to entice people to take your side. You don't see me tagging everyone and their dog trying to sell my points. I assume they are grown adults who can read themselves. That's why it feels manipulative, almost like you are trying to capitalize on hoping they are lazy enough to bandwagon you here.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
Are you okay with having Wylted use his vote to test thisIf you think he’s lying, why not just lynch him?
I kind of agree with this, doesn't make sense to have him kill himself if you thought he was scum. I also disagree that making him kill himself just to "test" his role really is smart idea in general. And I just don't see a lot of reason he would come up with a role like that. Wylteds claims are pretty bad I thought, remembering what he did in game show mafia. This one feels very different from that claim.
I remember wylted saying he felt super confident in being able to sell his fake claim. Wylted seems like a confident guy in general, and I think he would think he could sell almost any claim he wanted to. Which makes a very safe sounding claim like his actor claim seem less likely to come from him if scum.
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@ILikePie5
Are you scum?
No
Why or why not?
I just didn't get the wincon. Glad I didn't also because I want to be in a position to give full effort if I did. With that said if it ever comes down to lynching me just don't. I can place an early vote and modkill myself and I believe that would continue the DP so essentially you could get 2 lynches for the price of one. You probably want to do it with an even number of players remaining though unless one scum was killed prior to that point.
And why should I believe you?
I am just a person capable of being full of shit as anyone else. I don't see any reason you should take me at my word. I did soft claim in my first post though so you should at least believe that I am being honest about my role, even if it isn't affiliation indicative.
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@iamanabanana
That said, all I mentioned is that you mansplaining to me why I am scum
People have a tendency to explain to scum why they are scum which is stupid. If you think a person is scum, give your reason to others. The only time anyone mentions their premises directly to their scum read is to afford the person the opportunity to address any mistakes in their own logic or to be performative to help the rest of town decide on the lynch.
You have a chip on your shoulder about being female for some reason. Trust me nobody gives a shit and nobody would know if you didn't tell them. They all still think Casey is male for example despite her clarifying she isn't so it just doesn't register what your gender is.
You might be picking up on hostility here because men are more direct in real life and if you are attractive in real life you are probably treated extremely well and so you just aren't used to the types of personas males normally display to each other.
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@iamanabanana
I remember wylted saying he felt super confident in being able to sell his fake claim
My job right now is to sell bullshit while fully believing it isn't bullshit so the truck is to believe your own bullshit.
It’s odd I behavior read wylted. I don’t buy the mod kill portion of his pm at all. Luna would not design a game that way.
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Sorry bro ski. Nothing you are doing wrong I just don’t believe the mod kill part
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@WyIted
People have a tendency to explain to scum why they are scum which is stupid. If you think a person is scum, give your reason to others. The only time anyone mentions their premises directly to their scum read is to afford the person the opportunity to address any mistakes in their own logic or to be performative to help the rest of town decide on the lynch.You have a chip on your shoulder about being female for some reason. Trust me nobody gives a shit and nobody would know if you didn't tell them. They all still think Casey is male for example despite her clarifying she isn't so it just doesn't register what your gender is.You might be picking up on hostility here because men are more direct in real life and if you are attractive in real life you are probably treated extremely well and so you just aren't used to the types of personas males normally display to each other.
I think it's interesting that he is trying to spin me as being over emotional because I used that word, though I do think there is something to a man who loves to explain down to a woman, and I do think pie often fits that persona, I don't overly care too much. I don't feel that way about all or most players, and I think it has something to do with pie's background and where he is from. I've noticed it from him in a lot of games and interactions. I don't usually mention it because I learned people will just focus on the "she's a crazy feminist blah blah" and I really just don't want to go down that rabbit hole most of the time, but you can tell with certain personality types and pie is definitely the "man-splainer". I don't really feel that way about almost any other players here too. I kind of regret mentioning it at all because now he's going to be a manipulative douche with it and try to get me lynched because of it by taking advantage of how other people view woman who say that word. I don't think I use it too casually though and I just couldn't help it in this scenario because it's just extremely funny that he wants to sit me down like a child and explain to me how I am scum when I know I am not lol. That said I don't even dislike pie or anything, he seems like a good person in general, I think his background and experience in dealing with woman causes to act the way he does, and I don't hold it against him. It's like being mad at someone for the middle east for having negative views on woman subserviance. It's how they are raised, and it's to be expected, but its just a cultural difference.
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@Mikal
Idk I don't think wylted's behavior really matches his scum game with us. He also expressed willingness to kill himself, I don't see wylted being okay with just killing himself that easily if he was scum. His behavior feels townie to me, in addition to the idea I just don't see him trying that claim as scum from what little I know of wylted.
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@iamanabanana
Maybe you are picking up on something I am not. Just giving my opinion there.
Wylted would absolutely offer to kill himself as scum. Any good scum player would. Because you are banking on someone town reading that and no follow through. I don’t think in my 10 years of playing with Connor, I ever recall him making a role that results on a mod kill other than once and it was a you can’t type in the dayphase role.
The voting early and killing yourself makes no sense. He would have the vote not count and if anything would go as far to make it scum sided to show affiliation and role confirmation don’t coordinate. I may be barking up the wrong tree but I do not buy the mod kill portion
Town Pile
Casey
Pie
Anna
Owen
Null
Rest
Scum pile
Wylted.
If I get 4 votes I will do it. Why 4?
Assuming 2 scum and 1 dumb towny that vote count could happen to anyone but 2 town and 2 scum indicate that I would likely be in the POE for a while. Somebody would have to confirm that a modkill would not end the DP though so it gives us 2 shots at a lynch today
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@Lunatic
I’m okay with it ending the DP. It would effectively be the same as a mislynch. Luna said he would not confirm anything in signups I believe.
Can you confirm a role would work this way
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@Lunatic
The correct question to ask is if a modkill would end the dp
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@Mikal
The voting early and killing yourself makes no sense. He would have the vote not count and if anything would go as far to make it scum sided to show affiliation and role confirmation don’t coordinate. I may be barking up the wrong tree but I do not buy the mod kill portion
Well it seems there is actually a role that functions the way he described it working, so at the very least, this addresses your concern that the mod made this "weird" role up for some reason.