Atypical Day Phase 2

This is the typical norm for such and if he doesn't turn he turns into a strong scum read. I layed this out and our justification to lynch is that the joat was true and casey's role works the same way.

There is also way more of a reason for Casey to verify Savant rather than anyone else. Savant was almost dead to rights in the later DP1 before Earth's claim. If I am scums partner I would try anything possible to divert attention and to give some form of credibility to that user. The role Casey claims is just that role. However again I am still town reading Casey and don't think that.

I would honestly scum read myself if I perfectly typed out justifications for myself. I know its crazy to think but I can attest to my biggest flaw as scum being way too detailed orientated.

Except for when you were scum and got the date of completion of the Hagia Sofia wrong... Or when you got details about your character wrong in Castlevania Mafia... 

I got CC'd in Years Mafia by WF and got outted from a result

I have links to a ton of games where I made a mistake. Years worth. It's not just me being scum. I don't think it's a strong argument and tbh it's pretty weak IMO

There is also way more of a reason for Casey to verify Savant rather than anyone else. Savant was almost dead to rights in the later DP1 before Earth's claim. If I am scums partner I would try anything possible to divert attention and to give some form of credibility to that user. The role Casey claims is just that role. However again I am still town reading Casey and don't think that.

It's really cool how you're building a case for me being scum while also publically stating that you townread me.

Please note how Vader is merely deflecting away from my case against him and Pie instead of actually making a substantive reply.

So now you have an issue with me building a case but have an issue when I deflect the case you make that I clearly responded to???

I got CC'd in Years Mafia by WF and got outted from a result

Yes, but you also made the mistakes that I said you made, and your mistake about the Hagia Sofia was one of the reasons I hard scumread you even before the CC. Don't try and act like what I said isn't true

I have links to a ton of games where I made a mistake. Years worth. It's not just me being scum. I don't think it's a strong argument and tbh it's pretty weak IMO

Right, so you don't make mistakes as scum, except for when you do, but we should just overlook those, because you also make mistakes as town sometimes. Okay.

So now you have an issue with me building a case but have an issue when I deflect the case you make that I clearly responded to???

So you admit that you're building a case against me, then? Why even bother doing that if you TR me so?

" I think you are a town read but you are not town locked so there is possibilities of what I am suggesting that could happened. But like I said, I don't think it's the case."

I am not suggesting to overlook mistakes. I am just saying that at times throughout my mafia career I have made mistakes on both of sides of the coin, town and scum. It's not affiliation indicative like you are implying it is.

Do you want me to give a full breakdown of my read on you to clarify my stance on you?

bruh, Lunatic is in the age range where this is a huge name. I promise. I thought it still was

So we have a watcher, an amnesiac cop, an innocent child, and whatever role Vader is? Doesn’t this seem like a lot of investigative power on the town side? One of these has to be a fake claim….

I’m fine with lynching ultra today on the guilty but I think his partner is one of the investigators not including myself obviously.

It’s the opposite of a dreamer

Each night I choose a person and they are given 3 roles that they could be

Sorry I'm with family I hardly see so this game has taken a back seat. I suppose there's nothing much I can say in my defense. 

I do want a little more discussion before this day ends. Specifically, I want everyone to answer these two questions:

1. If Ultra should flip town, who does that most implicate?
   

1. What do you make of my bulletproof vest going to Savant? What do you think the scum team did and why?
   

Full breakdown.

You are IMO a town read. I would say likely town IMO. I think your behavior has been very aligned with what you play as town. Taking charge in games and being at the forefront of the towns choice is what I see from town. I think you are going through the right thought processes but are just jumping the gun and making assumptions. I said that I am not ruling out that you couldn't be scum and I will say that for everyone unless there is really hard hard evidence and there really isn't besides the BP vest being redirected and there is a possibility that you could be lying to save Savant from being the focus on the target. I laid out my reasoning but how much do I believe it? Probably around a 5-10% just because I don't think this aligns as your scum and no offense I don't see you and Savant making a play like that, so deffo a likely town read but as I said, very possible you could be scum but not very likely

Well I am pretty sure Ultra is likely scum but if he turns town there are a few ways to proceed. Here are some obvious paths

Ultra flips guilty, likely a 5v1 
- Banana is town locked
If Pie Inno Child is revealed DP3
Likely 4v1 
- POE down to Savant and Wylted at that point 

 unique role

I don't think it's Banana either, however. If Ultra is town, then I think Pie is scum. Look at this interaction between him and I in Mayday Mafia.

Don’t forget that this is the same Owen [Ultra] who steamrolled town with Wylted and Barney with his fake CC. I think we give him less credit than he deserves as a player. I think for me today it’s between Moozer and Owen. (#413) 

I reply:

Maybe so, but I think a large part of the problem there is that no one really questioned a 3P BP and a Town BP existing in the same game nearly as much as we should have. (#421)

Pie replies back:

[That's] fair, but his execution was perfect as well. (#422) 

Sound familiar? Because it reminds me a lot of Pie in this game:

That’s fair, but you’ve only evaluated his town games. You have to compare it to his scum games. This guy was the mastermind of a double fake CC scum win if I remember correctly. (#158)

Pie was pivoting to setting up a mislynch on Owen in Mayday Mafia. I think he may have been doing the same thing here. He gives Ultra too much credit for what happened in that game, and I think it's on purpose. I mean, Pie was trying hard to put sus on him during DP1, and now he magically appears guilty. Suspicious? Only if he flips town. 

I don't buy Wylted being scum for behavioral reasons. Ditto with Banana - after she explained her scumread on me, I went back and looked at her previous posts, and all her interactions with me really did read as 'I think you're town but am also really frustrated with you.' Plus I know she's not lying about her role and I don't see it going to scum. 

I also TR Savant for his claim. It makes sense with the balance. So basically, scum are among (Ultra, Vader, Pie). Game is basically solved FMPOV. 

This role is somewhat common tbh. It's not like it's some crazy bullshit role

And honestly if I were actually scum, why wouldn't I have just gone for a Dreamer fake claim lol. It would've make it 10x easier to come up with fake results and put 3 additional people for mislynches. Claiming a Comedian wouldn't make any sense in this case

You’re overthinking. Ultra has a guilty result on him. How else would Ultra appear guilty? I assume you think I framed Ultra. The odds of that are so low to begin with. And second, if my plan was to get him mislynched, I can do that without the Framer too. I would’ve just framed someone else.

And I’m basically guaranteed to be confirmed, so it’s probably Vader/Ultra.

And honestly if I were actually scum, why wouldn't I have just gone for a Dreamer fake claim lol. It would've make it 10x easier to come up with fake results and put 3 additional people for mislynches. Claiming a Comedian wouldn't make any sense in this case

This really isn't that hard to explain. You claim what you can justify. I never said that your justification doesn't line up, did I?

I have literally never seen it before. Granted I'm not the ultimate authority on mafia, but Pie says he's never seen anything like it before, either.

Agreed on the second part. I'm assuming you're DP3 Inno Child then?

Fair point. But I mean I was just thinking from a logical perspective on what would make it easier for mafia to come away  with a win and Dreamer would've made 10x more sense. I know this is extremely WIFOM but you get 3 mislynch targets if you utilize a Dreamer as your fake claim versus Comedian which really only gives you one and if you fake the results of what you get you get insta scum read

As for not seeing this role ever. I just think that's such a weak argument. Hell I still see roles I've never seen. It's on the master role list we have as well.