Proposal to promote this site and resolve our rivalries peacefully

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I agree that there is too much unhealthy competition on this site which is one of reasons site loses users. But how do you have debate site without competition? Even if we unite in common goal this time to beat people on Modern Day debate (which should be easy, there are only few good debaters there, such as Aron Ra and Muslim Skeptic), we are still going to be fighting each other here all the time. I do have ways to talk to people here without debating them, but if everyone did it, it wouldnt be a debate site anymore. Sadly, nature of debate is such that people fight. I really think this site would benefit from having video debates like modern day debate does, but that would demand that people show their face which is what only few people on this site would be willing.
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Lucy, we could be MDD lev and bigger if we enforced rules better. Cleaned this up.

Made it a place Destiny and whoever else feel good showing off and participating in.
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Lucy, we could be MDD lev and bigger if we enforced rules better. Cleaned this up.
Its not really about rules or anything. In number of users, there is only one rule which matters. The number of new users daily must exceed number of leaving users. Now, you want to prevent people from leaving, but thats going to happen anyway on a competitive site. The real strategy is to bring more new users constantly to make up for the ones who leave. That way, you get activity and constant growth. Its literally not about rules. Tik Tok is the most popular app on planet. It has such weak rules that people post self harm, suicide threats, rape threats...ect. Tik Tok has most offensive content of all popular apps, yet its most popular by far because it is advertised everywhere and because it offers more options and support than YouTube, so users have more choice.
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You maybe never will understand. I get that.
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@Adaptable

Buddy, I could bring in 5 new users daily on this site using 3 YouTube channels and 2 Tik Tok accounts. That would be about 50 new users every 10 days. But it would take many hours of work each day on my part, and I first need to see where this site even goes. I am not going to spend so much time working for a site which ends up being censored trash.
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The lack of what you call censorship is why barely any high quality users will stay.

Nobody wants to show their family and friends this site once they realise whats actually on it?

Maybe now they may. For now, RemyBrown threads are gone from instant view.
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The lack of what you call cendsorship is why barely any high quality users will stay.
There are no "high quality users". There are users. But most active users on this site are mostly against censorship. Whiteflame only censors some content when it gets too extreme, which is okay. Savant is for free speech. WyIted is for free speech with quality arguments. ILikepie is for free speech. Bones is for free speech. Even those who support some censorship, dont support what you support.
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Also, guys, you need to tell me if name of site will change or not, because if I am making 3 more YouTube channels, I need to name them after this site to enable easier advertising.
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Some MDD people who have a smaller following would do it, but you have to consider what the other person gains from the debate. What they need to do is see you have a big enough following where they can syphon off enough of your followers to make it worth it. 

Are any of these guys in South Florida. I could maybe if they were close enough just run into them "accidentally" in public and maybe have some viral.moments. 
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America is obnoxious for that to be an okay thing.

Like in Europe you socially do not ever just grab a camera and stream live people who are not im the pure background unless obviously if they are public speakers/performers consenting implicitly to that.
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Yeah I can understand how freedom can sometimes be annoying but it's better than the alternative as the alternative in every single instance always leads to a totalitarian state like North Korea or Venezuela 
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I will start advertising this site today, but the moment it becomes filled with censorship, I am stopping with all advertising. I think that much is fair from me.
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Absolutely fair. I might do some stuff as well, if I can do it while staying on mission
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Beware the snares of fame.
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If I became famous I would go completely offline and make sure I was forgotten within 12 months
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@WyIted
Exactly. You'd backstab us.

Since this is a garbage tip, you cannot associate with it, especially given what youve posted.

Are you starting to see why this cannot grow as it is?
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Lucy, we could be MDD lev and bigger if we enforced rules better. Cleaned this up.

Made it a place Destiny and whoever else feel good showing off and participating in.
Destiny would thrive in this environment. His toxicity makes the average DDO troll look tame by comparison. And he would get banned quickly under stricter or tighter moderation.

How much of Stephen Bonnell's content have you watched?

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Try to get streamers of all perspectives, not just the big progleft “debate bros”

1. It’s good to have a great diversity of opinions on a debate website.
2. Left-wingers in general tend to be very pro-censorship. Reddit, Tumblr, Bluesky, all good examples. I don’t want this site flooded with pro-censorship retards who don’t respect site culture. Yes I know there will be exceptions, but Mikal and Lunatic seem to be the only ones among the current left on the site.

By getting streamers of many viewpoints (including the progleft), we avoid both problems.

I will note that Vaush, Destiny, HasanAbi, are very easy to destroy in a debate if you can sidestep their gishgallop and catch a few of their many fallacies. They are not skilled debaters, they are skilled actors who look more dominant in debates than they are.
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I was thinking the same thing and just kind of raised an eyebrow at that lol. Talking about the guy who made a case for legalizing child porn using AI 
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I think whiteflame is the favorite to be our representative. These platforms are pretty different from formal debates, and oftentimes it's more of a conversation format where you don't really have time to establish a framework or make a super formal argument. To win the crowd, you really do have to be winning on almost every point. If openings are allowed, that's a big help, but they're usually only a few minutes long. Plus there's a decent amount of interrupting.

To prepare WF, here's my plan: we basically have a 3v1 or something debate in VC where three of us are constantly challenging WF with studies/new arguments/etc. Once he gets good at fending off three people in real time, live debating should be a walk in the park.
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Format is also who just talks the loudest and makes the other person look dumb. As you mentioned it’s informal. Half of my day is listening to their YouTube channels or twitch streams in the background while I do stuff. Happy to help in whatever way we want to format it. 

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I think whiteflame is the favorite to be our representative. These platforms are pretty different from formal debates, and oftentimes it's more of a conversation format where you don't really have time to establish a framework or make a super formal argument. To win the crowd, you really do have to be winning on almost every point. If openings are allowed, that's a big help, but they're usually only a few minutes long. Plus there's a decent amount of interrupting.

To prepare WF, here's my plan: we basically have a 3v1 or something debate in VC where three of us are constantly challenging WF with studies/new arguments/etc. Once he gets good at fending off three people in real time, live debating should be a walk in the park.
But I have more experience than whiteflame in casual and informal debate, especially in a video setting.
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I think whiteflame is the favorite to be our representative. These platforms are pretty different from formal debates, and oftentimes it's more of a conversation format where you don't really have time to establish a framework or make a super formal argument. To win the crowd, you really do have to be winning on almost every point. If openings are allowed, that's a big help, but they're usually only a few minutes long. Plus there's a decent amount of interrupting.
We'll have to work out the format, but if it is more conversational, it's bound to be a good deal simpler to manage. I can do the line-by-line decently well, used to do it a lot. Restricting speeches to a few minutes usually isn't a problem for me. I don't mind interruptions either, though there might be a problem if they can just chime in in the middle of a point I'm making. Not the worst, but it does make a debate more haphazard.

To prepare WF, here's my plan: we basically have a 3v1 or something debate in VC where three of us are constantly challenging WF with studies/new arguments/etc. Once he gets good at fending off three people in real time, live debating should be a walk in the park.
Not a bad way to go about it.
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I will note that Vaush, Destiny, HasanAbi, are very easy to destroy in a debate if you can sidestep their gishgallop and catch a few of their many fallacies. They are not skilled debaters, they are skilled actors who look more dominant in debates than they are.
Also, Mharman is right.

Anyone can take either of these chumps. 
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But I have more experience than whiteflame in casual and informal debate, especially in a video setting.
I don't think I should automatically be selected for the role. Much as my experience helps, it also means my style of argumentation sounds more formal, which might not be best for this space.

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Think it depends on which one 

Hasan and Vaush are walking talking points. Hasan would never take something like this. 


Destiny would be the best bet as he just likes to debate but he also is by far the better of the 3 
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Exactly. You'd backstab us.

I am not sure avoiding the limelight is a backstab LOL


Since this is a garbage tip, you cannot associate with it, especially given what youve posted.
I wouldn't avoid fame because I am spineless. I don't mind anyone knowing what I posted on some obscure debate forum. The reason to avoid fame isn't to avoid hate LOL. It's because I don't want people kissing my ass. 



Are you starting to see why this cannot grow as it is?
No, in fact usually sites that respect freedom and this oppose evil grow faster and once the evil censorship happens, then the sites decrease in volume. 

We should choose to not be evil always. 
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Barely any tbh. In fact before I even quit this site I was shifting more and more 'conservative' (small c, I am a genuine independent not the trendy 'ooh I am too cool for labels'  none of the mainstream labels fit me I am both radical and conservative at the same time in a very specific combination that adds up in my head and 'fascistic' is closer to it than antifa).

So I barely got into Destiny, he irked me. Him getting hacked ans the (accidental) revenge porn degeneracy made me realise what liberalism really is as one of many examples of why I truly shifted away. I was a progressive over liberal before anyway.
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We'll have to work out the format, but if it is more conversational, it's bound to be a good deal simpler to manage. I can do the line-by-line decently well, used to do it a lot. Restricting speeches to a few minutes usually isn't a problem for me. I don't mind interruptions either, though there might be a problem if they can just chime in in the middle of a point I'm making. Not the worst, but it does make a debate more haphazard.
If you're prepared, there's a guy on MDD (1stAmender) who lets people argue with him on Thursdays. He's got a list of beliefs he'll defend and will let you challenge any of them. I say we prepare you for the coming Thursday. You can watch his streams here. I'm happy to help you prepare any time this week, and anyone else who wants can be a part of the training drills as well.
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Interested?