Emergence of life due to laws of thermodynamics (specifically entropy) is plausible

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In the long run, life increases earth's overall entropy.
Even though life might cause earth to carry energy for a longer time, in the end, the total entropy of our planet will be greater.
Considering early earth had all the conditions and complexity for the emergence of aminoacids and other DNA/RNA components (Proven by experiments).
Systems tend toward higher entropy states (One of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics). That might explain the forementioned.
Most famous experiment:
We might be nothing but an instrument to increase earth's total entropy.
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Blablabla.

2nd coming is predetermined.

End of the world is already decided.
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This is an overlooked theory. Not proposed by a biologist. But still considerable and based on known laws of physics.

Why is a christian rambling in the science and nature section???

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Life exists because there are 20 sextillion planets in the Universe.
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Yes, i am talking about how it could have emerged. 
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Hmmm, you do have an IQ over 130.
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I do. Unfortunately not enough to debate christians.

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I only follow the school of thought which is based on greatest number of options/variations.

This school of thought is superior to all other schools of thought.

It does give answer to this question. Simply put, there is a variation necessary for life to be created. Given enough different variations happening, life will be created. Universe has almost countless variations, and thus the chance for life to be created somewhere becomes possible.

God, non-logic or mere variations in matter can all explain the creation of life.

Your explanation, however, is teleology.
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His explanation is not teleology, it's scientific reasoning.
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Teleology is arguing that something exists due to purpose it serves, rather than due to cause.
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Hmmm.
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What? I was beginning to like you. But why teleology. This is one of the many theories on how life might have emerged. 
We might be nothing but an instrument to increase earth's total entropy.
I wrote that just for fun. To mess with the christians who visit the science section.

The theory itself has nothing to do with purpose or 'why'. Only how. 
Simply put, there is a variation necessary for life to be created. Given enough different variations happening, life will be created. Universe has almost countless variations, and thus the chance for life to be created somewhere becomes possible.
Can you elaborate on this?

God, non-logic or mere variations in matter can all explain the creation of life.
The theory i presented has nothing to do with miracle or variations in matter.
It is a fundamental law in thermodynamics, that matter tends to convert into higher entropy state in an isolated environment overtime. 
Our universe is constantly doing this. It just takes trillions or who knows how many years before it has converted into its maximal entropy (until every single bit of energy is spread out). By the time earth has done this, by the time it has decayed(converted all its mass into energy) it will have let out more energy then it would have if there hadn't been any life on it. because life helps earth absorb more energy from the sun. I am not saying that is our purpose. But in the early earth conditions. The laws of thermodynamics would've caused complex molecules (which were formed under extreme conditions) to convert to a higher entropy state. and that is life. because life wastes more of the sun's energy.

Now of course that is just a theory. But not teleology by any means. i did not imply that life knew what it was doing and started as a reason for doing it.
It is just the laws of physics taking place.


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If seen from above, life does not even look like life. It just looks like our planet is absorbing and wasting as much energy from the sun as it can. And that, is explained by physics. 
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Teleology is arguing that something exists due to purpose it serves, rather than due to cause.
And where did i state that?
I said it emerged due to well known laws of physics.
Do not be lazy to click on the link or search this topic if you want to argue against it.
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It is a fundamental law in thermodynamics, that matter tends to convert into higher entropy state in an isolated environment overtime.
That is teleology. You set undefined goal "higher entropy state", and then claim humans exist to achieve that goal. It is like when those who believe in evolution say that some animals have long necks because it helps them reach tall trees.
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That is teleology. You set undefined goal "higher entropy state", and then claim humans exist to achieve that goal. It is like when those who believe in evolution say that some animals have long necks because it helps them reach tall trees.
Please do not make these dumb accusations. I did not say humans exist to achieve that goal. 
I said humans might have started existing because there is a well proven law in thermodynamics that states what i said in my previous argument. It happens. Laws of physics. They work and we discover them. That is it. 
Humans do not exist for the purpose of making these laws work but rather as a result of these laws working. 
Now i have to even explain evoution to you??? Give me a break. 
I hope at least someone understands what i say!


Ps: There exists an option called studying. But i do not mind schooling you anyway.
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Humans do not exist for the purpose for making these laws work but rather as a result of these laws working
False reasoning and now trying to change your own words too. By your logic, life should exist everywhere, yet it doesnt.
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Yes, by my own logic life should exist in every environment which went through stages that early earth did (i provided the link). It might even exist in other conditions which we are not familiar with. But that we dont know yet. 
My reasoning is not false, you just cannot comprehend. 
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Just like the beer cools down when sitting on the table. It is not because the beer is trying to let go of its energy. It just happens. Beer has no purpose. But the laws of thermodynamics take place no matter what.
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Yes, by my own logic life should exist in every environment which went through stages that early earth did
This is now changing the topic. So its no longer because of law of thermodynamics/entropy. Now its some undefined "stages".
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Rambling?

What an attention span.

Scientific development was over 80% Christians btw, for a long time. Loooong time.
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Are you kidding? You brought that up. 
Those undefined stages can be learned if you just look at the link. Those stages are volcanoes and thunder and lightning and hurricanes. Early earth was harsh unlike today. 
Under those conditions, parts of dna, proteins and aminoacids form naturally. Then i posted this theory which said that those molecules which form due to these conditions might have come together to form life under laws of thermodynamics. Not purposefuly. It just happened because such are the laws of physics. This is not proved. Is a theory proposed by a physicist. I just posted this saying it is logical. You cannot fathom it. Then you must go to the religion section. Bitte!
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Life doesnt even exist everywhere on Earth, and doesnt exist everywhere in same amount. So your lazy theory explains literally nothing.
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Please take yourself out to the religion section. I am not rambling. This is reasoning. You cannot fathom it for reasons we both know. 
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Literal ad hom.
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It is not my theory. Of course life does exist everywhere on earth. You are just ignorant. There are plants everywhere. There are plants in the sea. And also animals ,bacteria , and many other species. Of course life is not in every square milimeter of earth's surface because earth is not perfect. Not every terrain supports life. I can't believe what kind of people i am arguing with.
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Ad hominem? I wasn't even debating you. I was only dismissing you.
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The end of the world is already predestined.

It was of absokutely 0 surprise to Christian scientists that our world later was discovered to be doomed to end. This was revealed to us in New Testament.

Let me paste from Google AI:

through the prophecies and visions recorded in the Book of Revelation and the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels. The Book of Revelation, attributed to John, describes a vision of Christ's return in glory. Additionally, Jesus himself foretold his return in various parables and teachings, such as in Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21.

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Have it your way.
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Of course life does exist everywhere on earth
Maybe ask AI if your statement is true before posting it here <3