So Zedvictor got banned?

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I will post this again in case it gets missed.

I am not asking to remove ban, because I doubt that will happen anyway. I think 3 day ban isnt that serious now, compared to the much bigger issue at hand.

All I am asking here is to change moderation log description to something like "banned over making very inappropriate and very offensive jokes about disturbing topics".

Thats all I am asking.

Remove the "pedophile" label, cuz the guy is not a pedophile. The moderation log description is very unclear and makes him sound like pedophile who posted child porn or something. And that log is permanent, anyone new who is unfamilliar with what happened will think horrible things about him.

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One of them should have grabbed a screenshot then.
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I don't buy that for one second. I think what happened is a misinterpretation. But even so, I don't care about shock value humor. And of course the post was removed because the mods would rather powertrip and hide everything.
Whatever you want to believe, dude. I’m not in a position to disprove your view that it was a misinterpretation, and even if I was, I’m sure you’d still believe that was somehow our intention and disagree with our reasoning. I’m  expecting to convince you and I’m not here to argue it.
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@Mharman
One of them should have grabbed a screenshot then.
They didn't have the chance if zedvictor edited it before they banned him.
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All I am asking here is to change moderation log description to something like "banned over making very inappropriate and very offensive jokes about disturbing topics".
When I get a chance to sit down, I’ll take a look at it. That label does seem a bit much.
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I’m sure you’d still believe that was somehow our intention and disagree with our reasoning
The worst case scenario is that it was shock value. If that's bannable then you might as well perm ban some other users.
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The worst case scenario is that it was shock value. If that's bannable then you might as well perm ban some other users.
Clearly, we have different views of this case and others. I don’t have the time or the energy to argue them now.
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Fine. I’ll leave it for now

I’m gonna assume you forgot to ping
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Was doing this on my phone, so yeah, forgot to ping.
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Ok, now I'm confused. Apparently LucyStarfire saw the original version, since the citation they gave wasn't in the edited version. And they said it just looked like a misspelling of a word.

However, it looks like zedvictor posted the poem 10 hours before AR reported the post and like 24 hours before Lucy quoted it. Look at the times on the thread. How is it possible zed edited his post that long after posting it? I thought posts become permanent something like 30 minutes after you make them. When I go to the post I made 6 hours ago, there's no option to edit it.

So zedvictor must have made a post that got removed, yes? Even if whiteflame wasn't the one to remove it? AR probably saw the first post zedvictor made and assumed he had edited the second poem. And from what I can tell, people seem pretty split in their interpretations of whether the second post was intentionally suggestive or just a misspelling of a word.
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I never once said he edited it.
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@whiteflame
I don’t have a screenshot to show you, as I didn’t remove the offending post.

All I can say is that RM’s statement is accurate to what I recollect of the post.
This statement? 

"He made an explicit poem that involved a grandmother grooming her young granddaughter to suck on her 'plums'. This then became her grandmother having a man who wasnt her grandfather that she regularly has sex with, named woodman who has plums, having some form of oral sex with both at once, again with 'plums' referred to."

Damn, zed. Wouldn't have thought he'd post something like that.

Uncomfortable joke, but I still don't think zed is a pedophile. Glad you're taking a look at the wording of the mod log.
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I could be remembering wrong. I assumed he edited it to make Adaptable look crazy. 

But there's a possibility that the mods saw and deleted it, and then he posted a revised version. 
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Hello Castin.
Please display the poem, it is sounding fun. Zed is Russe, no?
I must help Papa on the farm now, I will read later.
Bonne journee.


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Nah, wouldn't want to get you in trouble with Papa
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He posted the other poem hours before the bad one.
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Yeah, I thought this was a different poem entirely than the one that was deleted.
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I thought posts become permanent something like 30 minutes after you make them
He didnt edit it. The mods deleted it. The version I posted is the same version Skipper said he saw before RM posted anything.

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This statement?

"He made an explicit poem that involved a grandmother grooming her young granddaughter to suck on her 'plums'. This then became her grandmother having a man who wasnt her grandfather that she regularly has sex with, named woodman who has plums, having some form of oral sex with both at once, again with 'plums' referred to."

Damn, zed. Wouldn't have thought he'd post something like that.
He didnt post that. Thats literally just RM interpretation.
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Whiteflame backed me up.
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Whiteflame backed me up.
Until you give evidence of what was written, not your interpretation, you might as well have Jesus back you up and your case would still be at zero.
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But anyway, the moderation log got updated, so I think there is no need for further debate on this.
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I have other issues irl, I spoke truth 0 defamation occurred here. I am not concerned with this nonsense.

Storing a pedophilic incest poem is stupid, even as evidence. Those very concerned can investigate the site's server if needed, I suppose.
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I think wait for zed to get back and he can repost what he posted in the discord. I’ll allow since I’m server owner. Then it’s public knowledge and no interpretation is needed. 

To note if it contained explicit shock humor about pedophila and was largely descriptive as RM is saying, he prob should a get a warning. I’m all for free speech but there are some lines. Doxing, targeted hate speech, a vivid poem about child porn( if this is accurate), you can’t have on a site. Literal discord servers have been raided over that and yes it can happen. So I understand the sentiment of removing this and a slap on the wrist if it’s as white flame described because there is legal liability involved with anyone who is any position of moderating or owning the site 

Again I’ll defend free speech constantly. I think half of what RM constitutes as hate speech or harassment is retarded. I think the holocaust ban was excessive and they should have saved the content so people can see it. But if the content in question is close to what RM or white flame is saying. It’s somewhat justified. 

Again as always, it seems the main issue is transparency which I’m 100 percent for. But I fully trust whiteflames judgement. He is the most laid back of all the mods and if he’s agreeing with RM which he never does. I tend to take that as credible because he disagrees with him on almost everything. 
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I dont care much about poem being deleted. Its just that original written reasoning for ban was so horrible and thank God they at least changed that.
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Yes I fully agree with this. It’s obviously shock humor and the dude is not a pedophile. It was a bad write up 
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Zedvictor is very fortunate and blessed to have had it deleted.

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I never once said he edited it.
Sorry, I remembered wrong. I think it was Lancelot who thought he edited the post.
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@LucyStarfire
Basically just doing body movements alpha lion does makes human brain think you are alpha.
The next time I'm in a tense business meeting I'll attempt to lazily lick my ballsack and project alpha energy.
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The next time I'm in a tense business meeting I'll attempt to lazily lick my ballsack and project alpha energy.
Well, that might not work. But generally, you want to talk slower, calmer, move slower, blink slower, walk slower. Practice some stillness, no pointless moves. You dont want to be too slow, you just want to send a signal "I am calm, unchallenged by anyone and in no rush".