Do you believe you are a "good" person?

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I get the question, we differ on how to answer it. I will never answer the question the way you want me to, so don't condescend to me like I don't know what you are asking. You, I presume like to think you are a good person. Good for you. I do what is right regardless if anyone else thinks its good or bad. You cant handle that I don't massage my own ego with thoughts like "I think I am a good person" I think doing the right thing is good even if it hurts people. Again, what I think is irrelevant.
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Why do you not answer directly?

What are you avoiding really?
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I have answered the question 5 times. It isn't my problem that you cant accept the answer. I don't look at or perceive the world like you do.  What I think is irrelevant. Good is highly subjective. There, that's six times I've answered the question. That is my direct answer.  I don't care if you don't like my answer and if  it makes you feel like you need closure.
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you say you do what’s right no matter how it looks, but not even being willing to ask yourself if you're a good person doesn’t make you principled, it just makes you look like you're avoiding the question. saying 'what i think doesn't matter' while writing a whole essay about how you're right is kind of funny. if you're really so sure of what you’re doing, why shy away from a basic question about your character? admitting you might be a good person isn’t arrogance, it’s just being honest with yourself. when you talk about 'rightness' without ever owning the kind of person you are, it ends up sounding like you're more focused on feeling above everyone than actually being accountable
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I think that the essence of humanity is the capacity for evil and good coupled with the inability to every truly reach either absolute. I do think that often the most damaging people are those who think that they've reached 'good' and then start to project evil out onto other people, searching for it everywhere but within themselves.
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@sadolite
The question was along the lines, do you judge anything that is good or bad.

You did not give a yes or no which is the only way to be direct.

Direct means, you don't go roundabout but you give a yes or no to a yes or no question. Unless you can't understand what a yes or no question is .

You did not say yes or no. You can respond a 1000 times and still not answer the question.
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Do you think you're a good person?
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Do you think you're a good person?
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i don’t really see myself as a good person by most standards. i’ve made choices that hurt people, sometimes out of selfishness, sometimes just from overthinking things until i lose perspective. but i’m working on it, not to be seen as better, just because i want to be honest with myself and grow from it. so no, i’m not claiming to be good.
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Ok, I am a bad person. Does that satisfy you. I do lots of things that piss people off. I also do things people like. You tell me, am I good or bad? And if you do tell me I will say its irrelevant. 

Suppose I say I am a good person, does it change how I am perceived? No it doesn't. Some people like me some don't. What I think is irrelevant.

I'll say I am a bad person.  A very very bad person.

Also I said I do "What I think is right" What you would do in the same position may be completely different. I don't view the world and everyone in it the same way you do. I hold very unpopular opinions about a great many things. >>>>>>>>>> Bad person
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Do you believe good people exist?
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@sadolite
You still haven't said yes or no to the following question.

Do you judge anything as good or bad?

This would be besides yourself.

You don't have to go on and on, just short and simple.

Do you say you're a bad person just because of outside perception or is it a combination of internal and external perception?
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@Mall
I am not a god, I am just a happy dude who has his own approach to life and largely does not care about others' opinions on it. The ultimate judge of whether you are a good person is you. Hiding behind "gods", "culture", "society" and so on does not change that fact. If you do the latter, then you just decide to attach your goodness to opinions of external entities - but the decision to do so is still the one you make.
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You know at some time you're going to have to care about others opinions being that you live amongst society.
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@Mall
Verbatim>>>>>>"Ok, I am a bad person. "  Yes yes yes yes yes, I am a bad person, I am a bad person, I am a bad person, I am a bad person, I am a bad person, I am a bad person.

Does that satisfy you?
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@Mall
I said that their opinions on my approach to life is something I largely do not care about. I did not say that I do not care at all about any of their opinions. Pay attention, please.
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New questions new questions. New questions.

Do you judge anything as good or bad?

Do you say you're a bad person just because of outside perception or is it a combination of internal and external perception?

Do you notice the new questions?
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That's what I mean. At some point you will have to LARGELY care. I'm not recanting. I meant what I meant.
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@Mall
I would prefer it if you said what you meant, not meant what you meant. Regardless, my approach has worked well for me so far. I live in a society and largely do not care what others think about my approach to life, so I have to ask you to elaborate on when that point at which I should start caring will come 
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Do you think all the "bad" people are in prisons and the "good" folks are outside the prisons?
No, definitely not. 

Do you support the death penalty?
Some people are too dangerous to be kept alive. (Not a reference to Star Wars.) It'd be better for the society to be rid of them. 
It might even be a mercy for that person if they are insane and can only do violence on others and himself or herself. 
Even after death I think it is still possible for someone like that to be shown mercy by God, even if they are unlovable. 

Those that do, you support abortion, right.
Abortion in most cases places more value on the wants of a person than the life of an other. I think the rule is to not use abortion. 

Do you believe you're good and the God of the bible not ?
No, I don't believe that. 

What does God have to do , not do to be good?
Fall from perfection. Do wrong. By that logic anyone who does wrong is not good. It's simple yet lots of people don't agree with that logic. 

Should he not forgive all those behind bars in prison like he's forgiven you?
He does forgive those that have sinned.
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By living in society, you live in a network. You function via intermittent interaction with others with their thought processes and views and opinions.

Which will impact you directly or indirectly.

For instance, medical opinions, housing opinions, livelihood opinions, auto mechanical opinions and so forth.

So there is care and attention. Doesn't mean you don't stand or hold steadfast to your position.

However, everything is interrelated, particularly economically, researching the opinions of the market, customers, supply and demand, etc.

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@Mall
Once again, I do not largely care what others think about my approach to life. I care about the opinion of the dentist of the state of my teeth when I come for a visit - but I do not care what the dentist thinks about my approach to sports. Different individuals play different roles in my life and their opinion on different things might matter or not matter to me - and none of them have any place in my life if they decide that they have any right to direct it.

"Society" is a pretty meaningless abstraction: at the end of the day, you interact with individuals, and even when those individuals group up and negotiate with you as a collective, each individual within the group makes the choice to be represented by said collective. You might think that you are negotiating with the government, for example - but you really are negotiating with the clerk employed by the government. Understanding this opens many doors in life: you suddenly realize that all those "laws", "rules" and "traditions" are just a convention, one any couple of interacting individuals can dismiss at their leisure.

I do not care about the "society". I care about the individuals that enter and exit my life, and I get to choose who those individuals are - and protect myself when my choice is not respected.