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Starts diminishing his read on Vader by saying it doesn't qualify as a "LAL thing": https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12994-terraria-mafia-1-dp1?page=15&post_number=435 ('This isn't shaking out to be one of them')
Another flat-out lie. Read the post. I said there are EXCEPTIONS to LAL and this (Supas claiming Mharman told him something that other players got different answers) 'isn't shaking out to be one of them' - meaning this isn't an exception to the LAL policy and we should lynch Supa for lying. I changed my stance on this when the mod stepped in to say this wasn't true, something Luna knows is the case and is lying about it. Does this seem like honest scumhunting to anyone? Luna wanted to lynch Supa on an LAL justification yesterday. He's lied twice about his role for very suspicious reasons (why would scum NK someone with a role like Strengthener?), there's good reason to suspect he's lying about Ultras visit, and I've lost count of the number of times he's lied about me.
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In fact my very next post you quote explains this but you leave out that important fact in your analysis and only quote the last part of that quote about Supa feeling honest.

To town: go through that post of Lunas. Read the posts he links to. Then read through his summaries and ask yourself whether he's accurately presenting my reads last DP and what events caused them to change. Then ask yourself if town would need to make so many misrepresentations to lynch scum. Maybe I'm omgussing because I'm so pissed at not being able to respond to this bit by bit because phonepoasting and my reception right now sucks ass, but the whole thing is just so off.
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Activity ping yall
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@Mikal
I also just checked in depth and a campfire does not heal a poison effect in the game. It gives health regent. It doesn’t remove it. Which makes me way 
more sus now having read through it mechanically. 
I can't be properly online for a little bit, but I also can't let this particular misinformation go unchecked. This is the mistake I made internally on Day 1 when I said that my justification was bad- I didn't understand how health regeneration mechanics worked.

Ladies, gentlemen, creatures of other persuasions, open your Terraria Wikis to the Health regeneration page.

It's complicated, and I won't go through all the details, but the gist is this: There is a value called the Regeneration Rate. When you have Poison, it brings that value to -4, meaning you're losing health per second. However, a Campfire adds 1 to that value, changing it to -3.

So, in other words, the presence of the Campfire mitigates the effects of the Poison, which is exactly what I already said about my justification.
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It's an opportunistic claim that could have employed the flip for pseudo-confirmation.
Of course, yes, an opportunistic claim when I was barely under any pressure. An opportunistic claim when there are no poisons, so nobody has a solid reason to believe me. An opportunistic claim about something with nuance that would initially draw raised eyebrows because Campfires -> Curing Poison is a confusing connection to anyone who hasn't played the game. An opportunistic claim that has clearly and obviously made my thread position significantly worse. That kind of opportunistic claim, yes.
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I'll be back. Don't turbo hammer me before this evening or I will drop a gravestone and haunt all of you. (Metaphorically, of course.)
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Mitigating is not removing which is what your role does. That’s my point. 
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More than that a campfire isn’t primarily used for poison. It’s for regen in general so why would he make an entire role around that. It’s the same issue I had with the short sword when I was pushing supa and changed my mind. Sure copper is a thing but it has way more variations than that. It’s very similar. Sure campfire can slow poison but it does not remove it and it also is not the main purpose. 

If anything your claim would make more sense as an antidote or something which has the purpose of removing the effect. 

I literally do not buy this at all

Please read into this. 
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That’s irrelevant to me because your initial “scumread” came based on flimsy logic imo
In your opinion, but it was also combined with the fact that I counter claimed him.
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Even if you had told the truth, we would’ve lynched Supa over you because of the blatant contradiction. This flip flop now doesn’t make any sense at all and just muddies the picture even more.
It’s really not that complex, expand your peanut size brain and you’ll be okay lol
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@ResurgetExFavilla
You trying to accuse me of lying is hilarious when I literally just got pasted your own posts and linked them for people to read of their own context lol.

If I’m letting people click on your own links to read things from your own mouth how is that a misrepresentation?
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Alright, I just finished a long RFD for a debate and I need a break. I'll do as Resurget requested and go through the posts listed by Luna with a fine-toothed comb, see if I have different impressions of them now.

Regarding Cerulean, I think Mikal's points about the campfire not being used to "heal" poison are fair. I'd be comfortable with the Cerulean lynch.

Regarding Joebob, is there any particular reason we haven't sought any more information from him? I know we have a softclaim, but he's on virtually everyone's lists as null and I haven't seen a whole lot of substance from him.
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Regarding Joebob, is there any particular reason we haven't sought any more information from him? I know we have a softclaim, but he's on virtually everyone's lists as null and I haven't seen a whole lot of substance from him.
Honestly been hung up on bigger fish but I did call him out for inactivity earlier, kind of bought his excuse but at the same time I’m not super comfortable with him floating by either 
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My top two scum reads are between Luna and cerulean. Luna lied about being vanilla and I don’t understand why. And ceruleans role just feels really wierd. I also don’t like Luna trying to use the Whiteflame wagon against everyone, it’s almost as if he knew the wagon would be guilty which means he is scum with supa looking for bus town cred. But that’s my top two scum reads right now. Also not to mention ultra saying Luna should have got a message and Luna denying getting one. I’d rather lynch him but I can get behind cerulean too.
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Does it seem strange that the two have like no interaction with each other despite being focal points of the conversation?
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My top two scum reads are between Luna and cerulean. Luna lied about being vanilla and I don’t understand why. And ceruleans role just feels really wierd. I also don’t like Luna trying to use the Whiteflame wagon against everyone, it’s almost as if he knew the wagon would be guilty which means he is scum with supa looking for bus town cred. But that’s my top two scum reads right now. Also not to mention ultra saying Luna should have got a message and Luna denying getting one. I’d rather lynch him but I can get behind cerulean too.

If you claim vanilla you lose a lot of role utility. Nothing is better as a vanilla than being able to bait a night kill. It was unfortunate I wa appeased by Mikal so early into claiming but ideally I wouldn’t have had to claim at all dp1 and then I was a likely night kill last night.

I don’t recommend most people do what I did but I did it with strategic purpose and Mikal dumb reading me over my character fvcked things up.

Anyways I’m done explaining why I lied about being vanilla, it was a contributing reason I wanted to lynch supa and in the end I was right. The bussing theory is kind of wild and unsubstantiated. I feel like you are waging people more easily this game then you normally do and I don’t like it one bit. Your character claim is the only reason I am not pushing you harder atm
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Does it seem strange that the two have like no interaction with each other despite being focal points of the conversation?
I am focused on ref atm but ceru was in my POe earlier. I am just a little suspicious of detractors of the ref lynch which makes me think this could be a mislynch but maybe he is scum idk
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Someone explain to me why there's a wagon on REF like I have one highly distracted brain cell left.
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I am town. Vanilla. Mharman, who am I replacing?
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Disc has replaced Savant.
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I am town. Vanilla. Mharman, who am I replacing?
Heya Disc. Was already townreading Savant so you inherit that. I think a lot of people were since he CC'd a Vanilla claim from Vader (ended up being right, but still, balls).

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For your reference (so you don't have to go digging for it):

Lunatic - Loom - Vanilla (Soft: Crafting Station - previously fake claimed Strengthener)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Spear - Asceticizer (Soft: Item)
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Ironskin Potion - ??? (Soft: Consumable Item)
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)


Dead:

Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer (Scum)
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (Town)

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Lmao get rekd savant
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Ok who is scum tho?
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Ok who is scum tho?
Wish I could tell you. POE for me is down to Cerulean, Resurget, Ultra and Joebob.

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Ok I trust you


VTL Resurget

That's L-1 now
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vote count?
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Eyy what’s up disc