I don’t really get why we are trying to get ref voted off in the first place. If it really just comes down to behavior, like I think lunatic said it was, I’d like to hear his claim before thinking about hammering him.
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Lunatic - Loom - Vanilla (Soft: Crafting Station - previously fake claimed Strengthener)
Mikal/Castin - Item Category
Ultra - Consumable Item
Whiteflame - Owl - Compulsive Visitor (Soft: Critter)
Pie - NPC
Resurget - Tiered NPC
Casey - Spear - Asceticizer (Soft: Item)
Savant - Vulture - Vanilla (Soft: NPC)
Joebob - Vital Item
Wylted - Chest - Doublevoter (Soft: Minecraft Item)
Banana - Ironskin Potion - ??? (Soft: Consumable Item)
Cerulean - Campfire - Poison Healer (Soft: Item Spawned Naturally)
Dead:
Vader - Black Slime - Randomizer (Scum)
Irontoaster - Pressure Plate - JOAT: 3x Cop, 1x Poisoner, 1x Bomb (Town)
Obviously waiting for REF to full claim, but after rereading the claims list, I dislike Whiteflame’s justification. Where’s the Compulsive Aspect? And why Owl specifically? Aren’t there a million other things that just walk around every where?
I also don’t buy Ceru’s justification but I think leaving him alive one more day won’t do us any harm
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@ILikePie5
"offset damage over time" is the exact phrasing in my justification.
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@ILikePie5
Obviously waiting for REF to full claim, but after rereading the claims list, I dislike Whiteflame’s justification. Where’s the Compulsive Aspect? And why Owl specifically? Aren’t there a million other things that just walk around every where?
The closest I can see for reasoning on the compulsive aspect is that it's almost obsessive compulsive behavior from Owls in game, but that's me really spit-balling. There's nothing objectively compulsive about my justification, and even the visitor aspect is, essentially "you perch on buildings of players". My claim is inherently sus, I know that. We're in a good enough position now that, if people want to eliminate me just because I'm almost certainly going to remain in PoE the rest of the game, then I'd understand it. That obviously wouldn't be my preference, but I get where it's coming from.
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@JoeBob
I don’t really get why we are trying to get ref voted off in the first place. If it really just comes down to behavior, like I think lunatic said it was, I’d like to hear his claim before thinking about hammering him.
There's a reason I'm not hammering despite sussing him behaviorally.
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@Mikal
@JoeBob
More than that a campfire isn’t primarily used for poison.
And a pressure plate isn't primarily used for detecting wires, but Iron was a partial Cop. I'm not sure if you're trying to be obtuse here.
Based off what I learned from Google about your role, the campfire doesn’t nullify the poison effect, like the healer does to the poison in mafia.
The point is that it can reduce the effect significantly enough that the timer runs out and you survive. A Campfire can save your life from the Poisoned status effect.
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@ILikePie5
Yet Savant did the same thing. Haven’t seen you say anything about him
I buy multiple vanillas to an extent but three is a lot. Also why would I doubt savant when he cced someone we know is scum?
Also thoughts on ref? I see you asked for his claim but you haven’t taken much of a stance otherwise unless I missed it.
UNVOTE
I'm done playing defense for today. I'm going to properly backread before I put my vote back on REF.
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@Cerulean
A)Campfire increases health regeneration, so it mitigates the effect of Poison.B) "offset damage over time" is the exact phrasing in my justification.
I still don’t like this. But I can’t argue a tripwire was a cop for some weird reason.
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@ILikePie5
Obviously waiting for REF to full claim, but after rereading the claims list, I dislike Whiteflame’s justification. Where’s the Compulsive Aspect? And why Owl specifically? Aren’t there a million other things that just walk around every where?
Compulsive isn't really explained, but the Visitor part makes enough sense to me, and Visitor is almost always Compulsive in practice, as a non-compulsive visitor is literally pointless. The justification may not be amazing, but I feel like we tend to focus on that aspect too much. Unless a justification is really weak, I think it should have relatively little weight when it comes to our reads.
I think whoever is developing the new forums should include an ISO feature specifically for Mafia games.
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@Cerulean
I'm done playing defense for today.
See, this is the thing I really don't like about your behavior today. You haven't actually been posting all that much all things considered, yet you act like you have been "spamming the DP". It runs me the wrong way.
Vote Count
REF (5/7) - Lunatic, Wylted, Ultra, Disc
Ultra (1/7) - Banana
Lunatic (1/7) - REF
Cerulean (1/7) - Mikal/Castin
Not Voting (5) Pie, Casey, Joebob, Whiteflame, Cerulean
The cross necklace is an accessory that increases a player’s i-frames after taking damage.
Going to reread DP1
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@Lunatic
If you believe the game is 10-3-1, who do you think is the TP and why?
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@Cerulean
More than that a campfire isn’t primarily used for poison.And a pressure plate isn't primarily used for detecting wires, but Iron was a partial Cop. I'm not sure if you're trying to be obtuse here.
Sure, but the other two thirds of his justification add up seamlessly.
Based off what I learned from Google about your role, the campfire doesn’t nullify the poison effect, like the healer does to the poison in mafia.The point is that it can reduce the effect significantly enough that the timer runs out and you survive. A Campfire can save your life from the Poisoned status effect.
When you get poisoned ingame, a campfire isn’t the first thing that comes to mind. Why? Because it barely does anything. Poison does 2 damage to a player and a campfire heals for 0.5, and with how much Mharman plays the game, I’m sure he knows that this isn’t a complete nullify like the poison/healer role in mafia was like.
The thing I don’t buy about his claim is there are better options. Consumables that clear poison all together. Maybe he had a hard time finding something to link To cop but antidote for his claim literally just makes more sense.
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@ILikePie5
Look Up antidote and tel me why campfire is the poison healer
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@Mikal
Look Up antidote and tel me why campfire is the poison healer
Only thing I see is Bezoar. Do you have a link? I agree that Bezoar is a better character for a Poison Healer
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@Castin
Guess you blindly target someone during NP to heal and hope they happened to be poisoned? Shot in the dark.
Day ability.
I have Mikal/Castin as Town via angleshoot and because I'm starting to think his case on me is being co-opted by scum, though I don't have much solid evidence for that.
I have Lunatic as Town for hard pushing Vader and I believe his reasoning for the claim swap.
I have Savant/Disc as Town because I believe the way he counter-claimed Vader was town, and I find it difficult to believe that Vulture was something fake that the scum team would come up with for Vanilla, especially when one team member was already claiming Vanilla. I also believe the replacement's entrance was pure. Although I have been wrong on purity reads before.
I have Pie as mostly Town for his behavior, but I think there is an asterisk with Casey and the two of them possibly collaborating.
I think WyIted's behavior and role are Town, primarily because I'm struggling to think of a Scum character that would have that.
Banana's claim looked like a genuine blunder of saying too much, and I do believe the suggestion that was made that she's typically "lazier" as Town than Scum. Though this may be something to revisit later if she's leaning on that too much.
I am left with Ultra, Whiteflame, REF, Casey, Joebob as my rough POE.
Unordered because I'm lazy and a bit tired, to be frank.
What worries me is the possibility of a Luantic/REF v/v world.
I have Pie as mostly Town for his behavior, but I think there is an asterisk with Casey and the two of them possibly collaborating.
To elaborate on this: It could be possible that both are scum and Pie had a asectic/commute ability last Night, explaining Mikal's ability fail and allowing Casey to make the claim. So I don't think it's actually confirming. And even if it was, it would only be role confirming, not alignment confirming.
Casey is the slot I keep going back and forth on. There was the defense on Vader, but there's also the seemingly decent and backed up role claim. The reasoning on Banana being Town-ish was a good call-out, as far as I'm aware, but they keep taking potshots at me. Conflicting... I'm not really a fan of the way most of thread seemed to coalesce around "Yes this is basically confirmed" when that isn't really true.
Okay so I did another read of Vader’s posts:
Gotcha.I would say mine is more of a base item.
Here he’s referring to his fake claim of Shortsword it seems like.
Mikal asks: “Does your item have tiers?”
Vader: No there are no different tiers to this item
Right here is the direct moment of contradiction that I caught on. A blatant scumslip.
Then it goes right to the clarification post:
Going to redo this because I got a mod clarification. I have no identifier and appearantly I read this wrong. So my item does not have a category period. In the pm it was looked like 2 words when it really should’ve been 1. So no I have 0 sub category
Two minutes later, here is the post from Lunatic:
Wait… what? How did you read your PM wrong lolVtl Vader
Response to Luna 3 minutes later:
I didn’t read it wrongMy role should’ve been 1 word, not 2. I was confused cuz the wiki showed 1 but the PM showed 2. I asked a question and got a clarification. Didn’t read this wrongThis was pretty pushy of you to jump so fast…
Luna’s response:
You said in your pm it “looked like two words” when it was actually one. Were you drunk and had double vision? Bow you saying it’s a difference between the wiki. Get your story straight lol
Vader’s response:
I’m ngl when something is wrong I usually tend to say I was wrong. Kind of jumped the gun with this after mod clarification but he told me that he made a mistake with how it was worded. I was literally just about to post that before you made a post
No response by Luna and then Vader comes back out of the blue with this:
Tbh call this omgus all you want but feel like Luna is trying to divert attention away from the pressure he’s facing from Mikal and trying to deflect it to someone else. He seemed extremely snappy to call that a “scum slip” and jump on it but I’ve seen in other games when that happened he didn’t jump as soon as possible. Slight fos kn that alone
All of this just seems forged to me. Cause Supa got away with the original slip cause I didn’t notice it till I came on which was like 10 pages after.
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@ILikePie5
If you believe the game is 10-3-1, who do you think is the TP and why?
No clue
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@Cerulean
What worries me is the possibility of a Luantic/REF v/v world.
After already being accused of bussing supa that’s actually pretty funny. Maybe I’m just scum and bussing everyone on of my team mates for the glory factor eh?