-->
@PGA2.0
Your questions are not valid, that is the point, they are all based on lies, they don't need to be answered, you need to start asking questions that are not based on lies. Do you understand?
A classic: From creator god ==> Specific God
Posts
Total:
1,007
-->
@3RU7AL
You can treat people kindly regardless of their legal status
If you want to argue against deportation, first you have to change the whole system to having open borders. You can't harbor and endorse illegal immigration and seriously contend you are treating people equally. People are dishonestly advocating for the opposite by being complacent about it, and it puts strain on the legal avenues of migration as well.
-->
@Snoopy
Who here has endorsed illegal immigration? Is this discussion not about the laws themselves?
-->
@Snoopy
Indeed this isn't really a thread about immigration at all.
-->
@Goldtop
Based on lies? Really? How is that so?Your questions are not valid, that is the point, they are all based on lies, they don't need to be answered, you need to start asking questions that are not based on lies. Do you understand?
-->
@PGA2.0
God's laws are always greater but what makes you think that God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt?
Show me which of the laws written by men are god's laws and how do you know? Now go off on your usual rave about personal attacks.
-->
@Snoopy
You can treat people kindly regardless of their legal status
I believe people should be treated kindly regardless of their legal status.
-->
@PGA2.0
I have no idea why you lie all the time. You tell me why?How is that so?
-->
@Goldtop
How is that so?I have no idea why you lie all the time. You tell me why?
What lies are you accusing me of?
-->
@PGA2.0
All of them. There are too many to count. Your posts are filled with them. I have no idea why you lead your life chasing lies. Seems rather absurd.What lies are you accusing me of?
-->
@disgusted
God's laws are always greater but what makes you think that God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt?Show me which of the laws written by men are god's laws and how do you know? Now go off on your usual rave about personal attacks.
How can I show someone who does not want to be shown?
-->
@PGA2.0
How can I show someone who does not want to be shown?
That is another lie considering he just asked you to show him. This is what I refer about you constantly lying.
-->
@Goldtop
What lies are you accusing me of?All of them. There are too many to count. Your posts are filled with them. I have no idea why you lead your life chasing lies. Seems rather absurd.
Please be slightly more specific.
-->
@3RU7AL
Who asked you.
-->
@Goldtop
What lies are you accusing me of?All of them. There are too many to count. Your posts are filled with them. I have no idea why you lead your life chasing lies. Seems rather absurd.
"All of them" but you can't identify one.
-->
@Goldtop
Who asked you.
It's pretty strange that you would choose to attempt to bully someone out of a public forum instead of supporting your claim with specifics.
-->
@Goldtop
How can I show someone who does not want to be shown?That is another lie considering he just asked you to show him. This is what I refer about you constantly lying.
He has shown me time after time that he is not interested in a discussion. We keep talking past each other. He doesn't hear the argument he is so invested in justifying his worldview, as are you that you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my arguments.
-->
@PGA2.0
Put it on the screen, simple enough.
-->
@PGA2.0
you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my arguments
Post 967
Now go off on your usual rave about personal attacks.
-->
@disgusted
you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my argumentsPost 967Now go off on your usual rave about personal attacks.
Okay, I will! Again, you are incapable of processing anything but your groupthink. I perceive a mental deficiency on your part in my dialogue with you in that you are not capable of answering questions.
POST 967
God's laws are always greater but what makes you think that God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt?Show me which of the laws written by men are god's laws and how do you know? Now go off on your usual rave about personal attacks.
How does that answer the question I asked? Again, you are incapable of responding to a question except with extreme bias. Again, you immediately go off on a tangent as per most posts. That is why I avoid discussions with you.
Again, how do you know God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt???
In answer to your question, I'll answer it with another question, just like you did. Show me how you know the Bible is not God's word recorded by men as God instructed them to write?
I have good reasons to believe the Bible is God's word which I am willing to discuss with those who are interested. Some of those reasons include the prophetic message which the evidence points to as being written before the events they predict and foretell. Other reasons are that the biblical God justifies what is necessary for morality, life, origins, knowledge, etc., whereas mindless chance happenstance cannot make sense of anything because there is no intent behind anything. We keep finding meaning from what your worldview contrives origins from = the meaninglessness, purposeless, blind, indifferent, unintentional happenstance.
-->
@PGA2.0
How does that answer the question I asked you? Again, you are incapable of responding to a question except with extreme bias. Again, you immediately go off on a tangent as per most posts. That is why I avoid discussions with you.
You asked a question about a non existent being, why not ask me about the Easter bunny. I don't believe in that man made character.
Again, how do you know God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt???
Your god doesn't exist it can't oppose anything. How do you know the Space Goblin doesn't like apples?
In answer to your question, I'll answer it with another question, just like you did. Show me how you know the Bible is not God's word recorded by men as God instructed them to write?
Your god thinks that bats are birds and insects have four legs and a flood covered the Earth. There was no 400yrs in egyptian slavery, there was no exodus. Did your god ever dictate?
I have good reasons to believe the Bible is God's word which I am willing to discuss with those who are interested. Some of those reasons include the prophetic message which the evidence points to as being written before the events they predict and foretell. Other reasons are that the biblical God justifies what is necessary for morality, life, origins, knowledge, etc., whereas mindless chance happenstance cannot make sense of anything because there is no intent behind anything. We keep finding meaning from what your worldview contrives origins from = the meaninglessness, purposeless, blind, indifferent, unintentional happenstance.
There is no reason to assign truth to that primitive book and your prophecy only works if you can magic 70 weeks into 490yrs. Pass.
Did your god ever dictate?
-->
@3RU7AL
Wtf? Who am I bullying exactly and how am I doing that? We've established in the past your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, so I'm not expecting much of a lucid answer.
-->
@PGA2.0
That is just one of the many lies you've told here. I'm tired of hearing them from you and constantly having to correct you. It's pathetic. That's all you do here. You have no arguments.He has shown me time after time that he is not interested in a discussion. We keep talking past each other. He doesn't hear the argument he is so invested in justifying his worldview, as are you that you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my arguments.
-->
@Goldtop
That may be slander, but it is not a lie without intentional deceit. If they believe something to be the case, and say it how they see it, that is not a lie. If you slander a slanderer that wouldn't make sense in the context of a forum, so hopefully you have some basis behind such an assertion.
-->
@Goldtop
When you say, "who asked you" these are clearly the words of a schoolyard bully.Wtf? Who am I bullying exactly and how am I doing that? We've established in the past your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills, so I'm not expecting much of a lucid answer.
When you say, (essentially) "you're an idiot" these are clearly the words of a schoolyard bully.
If you can't defend your claims with specifics, just say so.
-->
@Goldtop
He has shown me time after time that he is not interested in a discussion. We keep talking past each other. He doesn't hear the argument he is so invested in justifying his worldview, as are you that you are both to the point where you attack me rather than my arguments.That is just one of the many lies you've told here. I'm tired of hearing them from you and constantly having to correct you. It's pathetic. That's all you do here. You have no arguments.
Good, because I'm bored of your assertions, insults, and insinuations (without proof).
BTW, great contribution! Here is the entire effort of your dialogue on this threat addressed to me.
Post 63: "Because something can't come from nothing, that is one of the theists strongest assertions when it comes to opining on origins."
Post 943: "The alleged upstanding Christian shows his true colors of hatred of others and wanting to keep them out. PGA2.0, the new and improved anti-Christ."
Post 954: "Notice that PGA can only contribute blatant lies to his hateful narrative of others he fears due to the hate mongering of his beloved Trump."
Post 961: "Your questions are not valid, that is the point, they are all based on lies, they don't need to be answered, you need to start asking questions that are not based on lies. Do you understand?"
Post 969: "I have no idea why you lie all the time. You tell me why?
Post 971: "All of them. There are too many to count. Your posts are filled with them. I have no idea why you lead your life chasing lies. Seems rather absurd."
Post 973: "That is another lie considering he just asked you to show him. This is what I refer about you constantly lying."
Post 984: "That is just one of the many lies you've told here. I'm tired of hearing them from you and constantly having to correct you. It's pathetic."
That's all you do here. You have no arguments. You fail to engage except in name calling.
***
Your contribution to Mopac and Polytheist-which was much of the same:
Post 52: "But, it's not your fault, you can't help it that you're deluded, hateful and one dimensional.
You're presence here regarding your God has zero influence, while your presence here in general is annoying, repetitious and void of intelligence.
Turning on your brain and using it would be a good option. Or, has it completely rotted from religion?
One could only be educated by you if they were a psychiatrist working on a case.
So, you join a debate site."
Post 57: "You don't value or care or even read anyone's opinion because you have no morals or ethics."
Post 59: "LOL. The stupidity. You block me but you respond to me. Grow up."
Post 74: "You could try shoving a cucumber up your ass, then I might believe you.
Don't be silly, I could think of a half dozen causes off the top of my head and a great deal more given some thought.
As usual, the sick, demented Christian who brings the hatred pretends to act the victim."
Post 83: "You never offer or show charity, so you deserve any. You do show hatred, intolerance and deceit to us when you call us names, and tell us we're nothing more than murderous scum and we should all fall to our knees in your presence, yet YOU claim to be the victim here.
So, this is all about your projection of hatred onto us, not the other way round, nitwit."
Post 86: "You continue to deceive, you have no intention of being like me or like anyone else here, you have stated you are here to educate us, you have called us all morons and idiots and murderous scum, we are not fit to lick your boot as far as you're concerned.
It is YOU who demands all of us to be just like you, and not more like you, but exactly like you; bat shit crazy."
Post 92: "Offending people is what you do, it's all you ever do, you do nothing else here but offend. It is the only reason you are here.
You have no concept of reasoning, it does not exist in your rotted mind. Seek professional help, immediately."
Post 98: "False equivalence, just because you and Mopac are mentally ill doesn't mean everyone is, Poly."
Post 99: "No one is more guilty than you, who constantly accuse us of being idiots, morons and murdering scum who aren't fit to lick your boot.
You're a terrible liar, Mopac, thinly vieled."
Post 107: "Forgiveness? LOL! For accusing us of being idiots, morons and murderous scum? For thinking you're our teacher and you're educating us? For repeating the same shit over and over for months on end? For being an asshole?
You already act like a small child so no pretening is required."
Post 111: "Yes, you are indeed. When are you going to stop being wicked?"
Post 112: "Poly still has me blocked, but still manages to respond to me, even if she is incapable of making any sense."
Post 114: "Just because you're mentally ill doesn't mean everone is."
-->
@disgusted
How does that answer the question I asked you? Again, you are incapable of responding to a question except with extreme bias. Again, you immediately go off on a tangent as per most posts. That is why I avoid discussions with you.You asked a question about a non existent being, why not ask me about the Easter bunny. I don't believe in that man made character.
That is my point. Why would I engage with a person who doesn't believe and does not want to believe, nor will he look at the evidence for the Christian position.
Again, how do you know God opposes protecting the innocent from the corrupt???Your god doesn't exist it can't oppose anything.
That is your presupposition that ignores the evidence as reasonable. Either God of chance happenstance are the two main explanations of origins. Which is more reasonable to believe?
How do you know the Space Goblin doesn't like apples?
Because there is no reasonable or logical evidence that it exists for me to believe in it. What is there to know about it?
In answer to your question, I'll answer it with another question, just like you did. Show me how you know the Bible is not God's word recorded by men as God instructed them to write?Your god thinks that bats are birds and insects have four legs and a flood covered the Earth.
Please cite your verses regarding bats as birds and which version.
Geology was built on a uniformitarian view. There is evidence for a worldwide flood in this way; it explains why we find billions of fossils in rock layers all over the earth. Fossils, generally speaking, require a catastrophic event, a quick burial to fossilize in most instances.
There was no 400yrs in egyptian slavery, there was no exodus. Did your god ever dictate?
Evidence has started to confirm the Exodus.
The Oasis of Hazeroth exists, mentioned in the Exodus journey in Numbers 11:35, Numbers 12:16 and Deuteronomy 1:1
i.e., Numbers 11:35 From Kivroth Hata'avah the people traveled to Hazeroth, and they stayed in Hazeroth.
There is evidence that Jews were enslaved in Egypt via the tomb of vizier Rekhmire:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-were-hebrews-ever-slaves-in-ancient-egypt-yes-1.5429843
Name's inscribed in the Brooklyn Papyrus include Jewish names:
Events described in the Bible during the time of Moses correspond with and "contain a vast knowledge regarding the customs, geography, and etymology of ancient Egypt" such as slaves being required by the Egyptians to meet quotas for brickmaking. The author of the Pentateuch demonstrates a knowledge of the geography of ancient Egypt, as noted by "Steven Collins, a specialist in the region of the Jordan Valley comments on this in his book Discovering the City of Sodom regarding the passage Genesis 13:10."
If you use Martin Anstey's Chronology the exodus happened in the 1400's BC, which coincides with a number of events, one being
"the exodus took place in 1446 BC, the pharaoh of the exodus was Amenhotep II. Coincidentally, during the reign of Amenhotep II, the Egyptian city Avaris was entirely abandoned. This shows massive evidence for the exodus to have actually happened. It’s truly incredible. Furthermore, according to the Bible, God destroyed pharaoh’s army in the red sea. We see that after the reign of Amenhotep II, Egyptian military expeditions are dramatically reduced. Douglas Petrovich, an egyptologist in a published paper titled Toward Pinpointing The Timing Of The Egyptian Abandonment Of Avaris During The Middle Of The 18th Dynasty published to the journal JAIE, makes the following statement regarding Egypt’s complete military collapse that happens right after Amenhotep II."
Another event that coincides with the Exodus is in this time frame there is a "massive" decline and "destruction of Canaanite cities such as the city of Khirbet el-Maqatir, in perfect coordination of the Biblical exodus timeline. In other words, not only do we have good confirmation for the actual exodus, but what the Bible tells us happened right after the exodus, actually happened in history."
I have good reasons to believe the Bible is God's word which I am willing to discuss with those who are interested. Some of those reasons include the prophetic message which the evidence points to as being written before the events they predict and foretell. Other reasons are that the biblical God justifies what is necessary for morality, life, origins, knowledge, etc., whereas mindless chance happenstance cannot make sense of anything because there is no intent behind anything. We keep finding meaning from what your worldview contrives origins from = the meaninglessness, purposeless, blind, indifferent, unintentional happenstance.There is no reason to assign truth to that primitive book and your prophecy only works if you can magic 70 weeks into 490yrs. Pass.Did your god ever dictate?
Again, regarding the 70 weeks, you show no knowledge of the meaning of the passage and how it was understood by that Jewish culture.
-->
@3RU7AL
Who asked you.It's pretty strange that you would choose to attempt to bully someone out of a public forum instead of supporting your claim with specifics.
I agree totally!
-->
@3RU7AL
Leviticus 19:34 - The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born [not deported]. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Treated as a native in what way? How were Jews to treat their fellow Jews? (i.e., love your neighbour as yourself)
This verse appears to be quite straight-forward and easy to understand.None of the "context" you've presented contradicts this simple command, "The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born".
In what way? The very next verse tells you, for crying out loud - "Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt."
You appeal to the ancient tradition of building walls to protect cities from ARMIES. This does not contradict Leviticus 19:34.
The idea of walls was to protect them from those who would want to harm them (i.e., enemies) and just like today. It served to keep unwanted and undesirable people out.
You appeal to "common sense" by proposing that people leave their doors unlocked. This does not contradict Leviticus 19:34.
You misunderstand me. I invited those who propose open borders to apply common sense. Would they leave their doors and windows open to anyone? Would they invite criminals and undesirables into their homes? Yet they want to do this with their southern border in which the majority of criminals, MS 13, drug smugglers, child traffickers, and illegal aliens come into your country from. It is not common sense.
Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
As long as they follow your laws and the law of the land. People came into cities for protection in the ANE. That is why there were numerous gates into Jerusalem. There were many enemies around them that wanted to do them harm.