AI vs. human debate

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Very cool!

I will however point to the bias of the setup. The human had a potential 79 points to gain, of which he gained 17. The machine had only a potential 21 points to gain.
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The side which is more compelling should theoretically never have less people agreeing with it after the debate than before. 

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The side which is more compelling can be the side debated worse. This is because people can be utter idiots and also because a genius debater vs a terrible debate can't convince you that something like morality is objective since that's utter bollocks but may win the debate hands down and deserve no loss of points for taking a blatantly false side and murking his opponent in spite of it.
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I assume that theory depends upon a perfect audience to grade it, and more compelling being objective instead of subjective?

The thing I really wish we knew, was if indeed the winner lost any of their original believers.
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I think it strikes a good compromise between using an unqualified set of judges and having a meaningful judgement. I've actually never considered using an aggregate statistic for before/after positions in an audience to judge a debate. That way they don't have to explain to the audience how to judge a debate, they can just find out who was more persuasive overall. But yes I agree it's a far from perfect system and there's a few nuances that I'd like to know too. 
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I think it strikes a good compromise between using an unqualified set of judges and having a meaningful judgement. I've actually never considered using an aggregate statistic for before/after positions in an audience to judge a debate. That way they don't have to explain to the audience how to judge a debate, they can just find out who was more persuasive overall. But yes I agree it's a far from perfect system and there's a few nuances that I'd like to know too. 
Intelligence Squared debates use this method and get played on the radio. [LINK]

And sometimes on television. [LINK]

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I think this setup is flawed for other reasons, but net gain is gains - losses; in other words, not losing people, for the purposes of this set up, is counted as a gain. So both sides had a potential 100 points to gain, for all intents and purposes.