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Right, but when you say consciousness, are you saying there's something behind the wheel experiencing it? Because that's what I think. Not necessarily a "mind" but something that is taking in the experience.
Right, but when you say consciousness, are you saying there's something behind the wheel experiencing it?
My only real problem with being incorporeal would be if it was define as being non interactive
That also means that it could ultimately be detected with the best possible technology.
Do you believe that we're in a simulation?
So I would then ask if the opposite is impossible.
what tools would you suppose that we use and why are we justified to go beyond normal skepticism and make metaphysical claims?
I reject solipsism outright, so this is a point of contention for us.
I would say that jumping to the supernatural conclusions in that situation would be unjustified since I could think of it least one or two ways to explain what you experienced via the natural.
I think the only difference between us, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you believe that "your" specific mind will survive in an afterlife and I believe that consciousness is a collective of certain particles that produce agency. so my mind is a clump of consciousness particles that gives me advanced perception when combined with my sensory organs. I believe that once I die, these particles will separate back in into their own individual primitive consciousness (think of this like your consciousness being like static) and that eventually some of all of these particles will reform to make a new consciousness. I also believe in a cyclic universe. Do you think your consciousness is ultimately physical or metaphysical?
incorporeal would be one example of something that's metaphysical yes. metaphysical simply means "at or beyond the limit of physics" So it could be something that we know 100% but in this case I was talking about that which goes beyond our knowledge. My only real problem with being incorporeal would be if it was define as being non interactive, that is to say it can't affect reality.
Consciousness doesn't need surroundings or form to be aware, only to experience something. It doesn't need a mind to be aware, only to categorize and define experience through memory and perception.
I personally think being corporeal can fit into infinite existence.
Not if you believe in singular minds having afterlives. But if you believe in a collective consciousness like I do, then a corporeal and infinite cyclic universe works.
Well, what is the opposite for you to say it's possible?
I don't think we can know of its existence until this earth is so good that people will finish their time here over killing themselves
Not let's find out if their is higher intelligences... that wouldn't get funded.
I was just saying if i'm the only one that has metaphysical experiences...
He wasn't just vomiting... he was vomiting blood. I talked to family members that are doctors and they said most cases is poisoning and a bad sign.
but don't conflate awareness (consciousness) with the mind
Energy exists because first conscious activity exists
The reason I pointed this out is so you understand that physical death does not mean the death of the mind
Non interactive is misleading, because you have an omnipresent conscious Reality that has access to every individual channel of conscious awareness and can experience and observe through all those channels
Explain how that works. How does being corporeal fit into an infinite existence?
That's where we would heavily diverge. I don't believe that my individual mind has always existed.
I believe that I'm just a collection of particles that have always existed and had consciousness and that when they break apart they'll form new minds that are nothing like mine except that they used a few of my particles. So in that sense, I will live on I suppose. There could be a case for maybe a collective conscious that has "agents" at their core. So the agent is the individual mind and the collectives are kind of like conductors or railroad tracks, however you want to think of it. Extensions of the agents. I'm not totally against that idea but it's an extra assumption so I'd need a good reason to assume it. Give me one and I will, lol. certainly agency would be nice if it was true.
I don't mind talking to you but in the future, bulleting your stuff would make it easier. I can only read so much in a short time span and I want to be able to address you as thoroughly as possible. I await your responses :)
I understand your frustration with supernatural claims. But ridiculing him isn't going to produce much. I know from personal experience, lol. You got to give people the best answers possible and let them find the truth for themselves.
Sorry about the winded posts, it's not a topic I can articulate in a few paragraphs but yeah I'll try and make it easier. I'll get to your post a bit later.
If you've been paying attention, it's all he has is ridicule so there's nothing ever to debate. I just mainly ignore it most of the time.
I understand your frustration with supernatural claims. But ridiculing him isn't going to produce much. I know from personal experience, lol. You got to give people the best answers possible and let them find the truth for themselves.
Most likely, we've had a whole lot more experience with EtrnlVw, this website and the prevoius (ddo) where Et has made claims he regularily speaks to Overlords and other Beings on planets in distant galaxies. That being one of his less delusional beliefs. He'll say one thing and then contradict himself, often in the very same sentence. Good luck.
OMG, more irrational, illogical lack of common sense talk i.e. when we {biologic } die, there is no more access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts via that dead person....The reason I pointed this out is so you understand that physical death does not mean the death of the mind...
OMG, this is more irrational, illogical lack of common sense talk. Way to much of this nonsense at DArt.Consciousness doesn't need surroundings or form to be aware, only to experience something....
Disgusted is correct. EtrW has makes many irrational, illogical and lack of common sense statements. This is typical of religiously fundamental or fanatical or radical types. They shun rational, logical common sense like vampires shun sunlight.Your much vaunted consciousness is non existence by your very own description.