Religion or Science?

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    Religious people often seem to be at odds with science because they believe it threatens their religion.

    What I am wondering is, do you ever wish you lived in a world without science where your religion could flourish unimpeded?

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    "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    My religion is doing just fine. Why would anyone want science gone when it's how everything works? They are not related in any way. 
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    Orthodox Christianity is certainly not anti-science. If that was a thing, we would not have concepts such as gnosis or epignosis. 

    Besides that, when the barbarians plunged western Europe into the dark ages, the sciences flourished in eastern Europe where Orthodox Christianity was strong.

    Western Europe didn't have its renaissance until after looting our libraries during the 4th crusade.


    Even the sciences that flourished in the Muslim world can be credited to Christian influence.


    Orthodox Christianity is an enlightened faith.



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    How do you feel about the science of evolution and abiogenesis?
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    Whether it is fact or fiction it has no bearing on my faith.
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    It has no bearing on your faith, but what about all the religious people who think it does and actively try to undermine it? Don't you think that they might prefer a world without science?
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    I've recently talked with an actual neuro surgeon aka brain surgeon who is very religious, many extremely educated people of science are also very religious.

    then there's what @Polytheist-Witch which pretty much said all there is to say on the matter.
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    I'm sure if you asked most Orthodox Christians that question, they would say that is stupid.


    I am sure you will get mixed opinions about whether or not evolution as it is taught or abiogenesis is in fact science, but the church itself is by no means anti-science. In fact, practicing our religion would make you as better science, because most of our discipline involves ridding oneself of passions and influences that keep us from being truly rational.

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    There are a lot of computer programmers at my church, and many who have doctorates. The idea that our religion is anti-intellectual or somehow at odds with science is ridiculous.


    I blame the King James only, sola scriptura bible thumping protestant crowd for this impression.


    This is not Orthodox Christianity by the way.
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    Than they can post about it. 
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    It has no bearing on your faith, but what about all the religious people who think it does and actively try to undermine it? Don't you think that they might prefer a world without science?
    I find this question rather ironic.  As I was told, the theory is historically significant in that it undermined an established school of thought.  So long as people are honest with themselves, I don't see what harm comes about from such ambitions.
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    I am at odds with science, not because it is at odds with my religion, but because most of what they call "science" is a laughable joke. 
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    Can you provide any examples? Like medical science, is that a joke? Physical science, biological science, jokes? 

    Bar science of the kind one Dr. John Taffer practices, I agree with you. Total joke. 
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    I am at odds with science, not because it is at odds with my religion, but because most of what they call "science" is a laughable joke. 
    Can you give me an example?
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    I hope they do!

    I'm not here to argue, I'd just like to hear what people say.

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    natural selection
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    --> @Paul
    Religious people often seem to be at odds with science because they believe it threatens their religion.

    What I am wondering is, do you ever wish you lived in a world without science where your religion could flourish unimpeded?

    I see Christianity with science. Most branches of modern science were founded by Christians or deists. They wanted to understand the universe God made so you come at the problem from the wrong angel. 
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    Religious people often seem to be at odds with science because they believe it threatens their religion.

    What I am wondering is, do you ever wish you lived in a world without science where your religion could flourish unimpeded?

    Absolutely not. I think science actually compliments God quite nicely. I think science is actually a spring board into further mind expansion if one is willing to go that route, and get over the idea that what their 5 senses perceive is all there is.
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    You mean you simply do not believe that environmental pressures cause certain traits critical to successful reproduction to "crowd out" traits that are either actively or passively deleterious to reproduction? Is there any reason? 
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    Absolutely not. I think science actually compliments God quite nicely. I think science is actually a spring board into further mind expansion if one is willing to go that route, and get over the idea that what their 5 senses perceive is all there is
    You have it somewhat backwards: the idea of god compliments science. Ever since the age of enlightenment, people have been neatly fitting gods into the gaps of our knowledge (derived through science). Seizures in the year 50 were demonic possessions. Now we know they're neurologically caused and in many cases, we have solutions (derived through science, not praying). People who still want to include the supernatural in that will tell you "Well, that's how the demons work, in your mind!" Just one example, it's something I know you're familiar with (god of the gaps), I won't belabor it. 

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    Most branches of modern science were founded by Christians or deists.
    No, they were founded by men who lived in societies where they would be outcasts if not arrested and jailed/killed for not being Christians. You are so lucky to be living in a secular society where your religion no longer rules the lives of others who want nothing to do it.

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    natural selection - a laughable joke.

    Jane still has yet to understand the word science, let alone know what natural selection means. Lol.
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    It's all Dream catchers , crystals and numbers for the one they named jane. 

    Natural selection is a joke = I'm not intelligent enough to talk about it sl/ash grasp it. 
    But that's cool , because Jane?
    Hey Jane?
    It's fine if ya not down with the old AlNatural Salecto. Jane its alll good.  You can't say nothing wrong here.
    However.
    However jane.   I Do remember a post of yours approximately a year ago saying " quote " The Sun is the center of the universe. 
    Jane?
    Do you remember that?

    Ya learnt somthing that day didn't ya ? 




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    That's up there with . 
    quote ' They didn't have amputees back then '