So the Gov. of Alabama, want to force rape victims to give birth.

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    "I'd have the bodyguard with the gun shoot the guy with the gun versus having the bodyguard and the church get shot."-Ben Shapiro

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    I am against the bill, not because it's pro-life, but the government should not be making bills on people's body
    that's not how I understand the bill to work, though I could be wrong.  fmpov the bill prohibits the actions of someone else in the killing, which I guess, if the woman wanted to perform her own unassisted abortion that is ok which is consistent with the body autonomy etc.  Even if you believe a woman has a right to an abortion that in no way means anyone other than her has the right to do it.  Rights are not transferable that way I don't think.

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    I don't go to church. I will never be shot in one. 
  • SupaDudz
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    Idk what you do, but school shootings, or concerts, etc. 
  • SupaDudz
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    i dont care enough about alabama to give a fuck. they deprive children human rights.
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    What does morality have to do with this subject?
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    So you think, as a non thinking organism, that you can poke your nose into a woman's body to determine that a fetus exists? You are an imbecilic childish wanker.
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    @pollywanna.
    How long have you pursued this absurd level of pig ignorance?
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    since they want me to mind my own business, even when there is an innocent life being killed in the process.

    How do you know?
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    Your surgeon has no right to remove your tumor, rights are not transferrable, good thinking for a non thinker.
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    Give us more military weapons. We demand the right to kill hundreds of kids at once, but we demand that women have no autonomous control of their own bodies.
    Kill children by the hundreds because that is our right, but women don't have rights.
  • Polytheist-Witch
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    I also don't walk around a scared paranoid fearmonger. 
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    I'd rather hire bodyguards with guns to shoot that shooter then have him come in and kill 100
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    I'd rather let teachers arm themselves.  It's more effective then a guard.
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    I will say that it seems logically inconsistent to me to be advocating for more guns given your feelings about killing even masses of cells with no significant brain function.
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    But advocating for more guns when held in the hands of law abiding citizens reduces the homicide rate and/or defends against a potentially tyrannical government to the citizens.  Pro life laws defend against a potentially tyrannical mother to the fetus.

    killing even masses of cells with no significant brain function.
    A sleeping person doesn't have significant brain function.  Does this mean that killing them is okay?  No.  Also, post born humans are technically bundles of cells too.
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    Like most people, I was raised by a tyrannical mother. Somehow I survived though.  
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    But advocating for more guns when held in the hands of law abiding citizens reduces the homicide rate and/or defends against a potentially tyrannical government to the citizens. 
    Statistics are mostly meaningless and correlation does not equal causation but statistically speaking world wide geographical locations with stricter gun laws suffer less gun related homicide. As for defending yourself from a tyrannical government the small arms you are advocating for are no longer a viable leans of accomplishing this goal. You had better get some anti aircraft laser guided guns and some tactical armed drones.
    Pro life laws defend against a potentially tyrannical mother to the fetus.
    You don't seem particularly worried about a tyrranical government when discussing uteruses. In fact you call for government invasion of uteruses all over the country. That is also logically incongruous.
    A sleeping person doesn't have significant brain function.  
    Your brain actually becomes highly active while you are dreaming. 
    Also, post born humans are technically bundles of cells too.
    All organisms are either one cell or a bundle of cells. Being a bundle of cells does not grant rights or a cockroach would have rights and in my kitchen at least they do not.
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    The only correlation between guns and abortion is the right of the citizen. No one can be forced to buy guns or have an abortion. Just like on one should be forced to not own guns or have an abortion. Other than that this is a stupid friggin argument. If you are ok killing people with a gun for any reason don't blame a women who wants to terminate a pregnancy before the thing is even a person. 
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    "family planning" is different from lawful personal defense.

    Lethal force is exercised with intent to kill, disproportionately, and without a reasonable fear of severe bodily harm
  • TheDredPriateRoberts
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    self defense doesn't always end in death, nor is it the actual intent and purpose, abortion however.....
  • secularmerlin
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    The only correlation between guns and abortion is the right of the citizen. No one can be forced to buy guns or have an abortion. Just like on one should be forced to not own guns or have an abortion. Other than that this is a stupid friggin argument. If you are ok killing people with a gun for any reason don't blame a women who wants to terminate a pregnancy before the thing is even a person. 

    Well stated.
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    Confirming the consequence. "I heard of this one bad thing that happened this one time because of one bad person so this thing which I am associating with it must also be bad".

    It sounds like the problem is with the small minutia of the law not the intent. 

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    Honestly, how many people do you know that think we have a right to kill people for any reason?