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Well, I guess we'll see on Election Day 2020. That's roughly 1 year and 5 months away, and a lot can change in that time. In all likelihood Democratic morale will be sapped by the excessive glut of Democratic candidates, all competing to see who's the most hardline and "authentic", bashing at each other for months and months on end. Trump is unlikely to have any major challenger, and he should enjoy the advantage of the incumbent candidate on Election Day. In addition the economy's doing pretty strong right now, and in the words of Bill Clinton's campaign advisers "It's the economy stupid".
I suspect that a lot of people cringe at Trump and the crazy sh*t he says on a daily basis (and so don't want to express support of him) but when ultimately pitted with a hard choice between Republican Trump and Democratic whoever, behind the privacy of an enclosed ballot on Election Day, they'll choose Trump. Especially if that person is someone who would overturn all recent gains made by the Pro-Life movement in favor of unrestricted abortion even in the last moments of the Third Trimester.
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@Swagnarok

More nonsensical comments. Why do I even bother to read it. You don't even understand how to make a coherent argument and when I tell you. You need evidence to support your claims you don't. You don't understand my clear instructions on how to make a coherent argument but you still don't listen from my reasonable asks you decide to deflect and say I have bad communication skills. The problem here is that you are wrong and I have clearly laid it out and yet again you provide no evidence of your claims. 

Indoctrination must be real problem with the right if you and others represent them. You, Greyparrot. Mopac and DBlaze all shows signs of being uneducated. You must all went to Religious schools or maybe all are drop outs or something else. That is the likely assumption for the lack of critical thinking skills any of you have. I can't help people who can't critically think and are unable to see the faults of what they say. 

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Hillary won by 2% of the popular vote, new york times projected Hillary had a 93% chance of winning
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@Dr.Franklin
Hillary won by 2% of the popular vote, new york times projected Hillary had a 93% chance of winning
Evidence and by what poll? 

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Lol, Trump is living proof that you can make exactly zero political stops in California and win the presidency.

California doesn't matter anymore because it has become a cringey fringe cesspool that does not represent mainstream America in the least bit. They barely speak English there. 
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Lol, Trump is living proof that you can make exactly zero political stops in California and win the presidency.
No he is living proof that a liar can take office which isn't a shocker.
California doesn't matter anymore because it has become a cringey fringe cesspool that does not represent mainstream America in the least bit. They barely speak English there. 
Gross generalization.
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You smell Bernie's farts. That on topic enough for you loser? 

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We should count illegal immigrants during the census so that California gets even more electoral votes.
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I heard that Trump intends to deport millions before the census is counted.
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CNN is telling me that they are immigrants, no mention of them being illegal.
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I know that Hillary won the popular vote. But some states where Trump won, he was projected to lose.
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You smell Bernie's farts. That on topic enough for you loser? 
Have you got something else more useful to say or are you as useless as you have clearly shown in the past and this very comment?
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@Greyparrot
Read it. Basically says establishment democrats don't really care about the people they care about the few that pay a hefty amount for their campaigns. That is the problem. It doesn't state even the amount of electoral votes that can be gained or the population size which can vote for the election.

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I know that Hillary won the popular vote. But some states where Trump won, he was projected to lose.
Trump won some states. Hillary won more. 
The polls were right and you didn't provide a link to who projected whatever it is you are trying to say. 
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If California was not part of the USA (which some Californians would love) then Trump would have won the popular vote. California is out of touch with the rest of America and marches to a different drum.
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@Greyparrot

If California was not part of the USA (which some Californians would love) then Trump would have won the popular vote. California is out of touch with the rest of America and marches to a different drum
Clearly shown the significance of California. Who would have known you are contradictory. Oh wait I already knew. 
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To prove my point, I took the most recent polling data in each state from the 2016 Election.

I then put it on an electoral map.

As you can see, just before the election, the state by state polls had Hillary Clinton winning the election. They were wrong. If the polls right before the election were wrong, how can you trust any poll this early in the election cycle?
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To prove my point, I took the most recent polling data in each state from the 2016 Election.
https://www.270towin.com/2016-polls-clinton-trump/
I then put it on an electoral map.
Can you explain this to me how you done this? 


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I looked at the polls in the first link.

States where Donald Trump was projected to win I labeled red on the map. States where Hillary Clinton was projected to win labeled blue on the map. States where Trump and Clinton were tied (when rounded to the nearest percent) I labeled gray on the map.

It took me a while, but a looked at each poll and then labeled the map accordingly as I went along.

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I am going to compare the polls before the 2016 to what it was after the 2016 election. If you didn't know already if you clicked on "Electoral Map Based on Polls" from the first link or this link here you would get the polling before the election. When you click here "State Winners Mapor from the link at the top you see who won. 

Comparing:

WA poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
OR poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue. 
CA poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
ID poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
NV poll had it brown. Election finished it was blue.
ID poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
UT poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
AZ poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
MT poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
WY poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
CO poll had it brown. Election finished it was blue.
NM poll had it light blue. Election finished it was blue.
ND poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
SD poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
NE poll had it red and pink. Election finished it was red.
KS poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
OK poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
TX poll had it pink. Election finished it was red.
MN poll had it light blue. Election finished it was blue.
IA poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
MO poll had it pink. Election finished it was red.
AR poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
LA poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
WI poll had it light blue. Election finished it was red.
IL poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
MS poll had it pink. Election finished it was red.
OH poll had it brown. Election finished it was red. 
KY poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
TN poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
AL poll had it red. Election finished it was red.
FL poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
GA poll had it brown. Election finished it was red. 
SC poll had it pink. Election finished it was red.
NC poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
VA poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
PA poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
NY poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
VT poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
NH poll had it brown. Election finished it was blue.
ME poll had it brown and blue. Election finished it was blue and red.
AK poll had it brown. Election finished it was red.
HI poll had it blue. Election finished it was blue.
WV poll had it red. Election finished it was red. 

After the Election
13/44 were blue
30/44 were red
1/44 were red and blue

Before the Election polls
6/44 were blue
5/44 were light blue
12/44 were brown
5/44 were pink
1/44 were red and pink
1/44 were blue and brown
14/44 were red

So basically the only place where you might have a case was in WI were the polls states it leaned democrat but went to the Republicans. Nowhere else do you have a case for the polls being wrong. 

Brown is a tossup. Meaning it can go either way. I think that is more commonly associated as a swing state but in this context it would be called a swing vote.

Two colors I think meant half were one color and the rest were another color. 

As I have clearly shown the polls are correct. They were wrong about 1 state if we say leaning democrat means they will vote for democrat but every single other state they said it was a swing state or were completely right if we go by the assumption that leaning republican or leaning democrat means they will vote for them.

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@Mharman
I looked at the polls in the first link.

States where Donald Trump was projected to win I labeled red on the map. States where Hillary Clinton was projected to win labeled blue on the map. States where Trump and Clinton were tied (when rounded to the nearest percent) I labeled gray on the map.

It took me a while, but a looked at each poll and then labeled the map accordingly as I went along.
The map already existed for that. When you did add those numbers you did things wrong. 
Democrats had 226 votes not 273 even if you account for light blue. 
Republicans had 161 not 218 even if you account for light red.
Which mean there was 151 swing votes or tossups for grabs. 

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The only news station I ever watch is CNN and I seem to remember them very consistently projecting a Hillary landslide type win.

They have been pretty much the 24/7 Trump news network since the guy announced he was running.




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This is what the country would look like if California popular vote elected the president.

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Did Hillary win the popular vote?
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in New Jersey, and lost the popular vote to Donald Trump in Kansas.
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@Snoopy
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in New Jersey, and lost the popular vote to Donald Trump in Kansas.
Is this addressed to me?

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It addressed a question you asked
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@Snoopy
It addressed a question you asked
I am asking about the votes combined not specific state elections. Who won? 

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Donald Trump became the president of the United States, with over 300 votes. He could have lost a couple of swing states and still won.
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@Snoopy
Donald Trump became the president of the United States, with over 300 votes. He could have lost a couple of swing states and still won.
Yes Trump did win the election but who won the popular vote?
Not a couple since not all of the states have an equal amount of votes. Lets say Trump lost the swing states of Pennsylvania and Florida he would have lost. Depends on what you mean by couple.

Poll before 2016:

When the election was finished: