Moving More Quickly on Moderation

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    There's probably not going to be someone everybody trusts. It will have to come down to Mike's judgment.
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    That's silly...at least have a vote on it or something.
  • Castin
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    Would you trust the voters' judgment as much as Mike's?
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    Depends on how bad the mod is. Right now everything is doing fine. Personally, I enjoy the drama. Keeps the site active. However, we will eventually need a mod. If a bad mod is going to make the site worse then I'd rather have no mods.
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    Mike can do whatever he wants. Its his site after all. We can however, suggest to him people who'd be great as mods.
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    Castin is right that there's nobody that everyone will trust. Then again, not everyone trusts Airmax.
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    It's not just about trust. 

    Go to DDO right now and look at the 4 threads by Hari in the stickies on the Debate.Org page. AirMax just reinstated his account. Is that what we want because some people "enjoy the drama"?

    That is an objective standard that AirMax sucks as a mod.

    Mike, no voting. Do it on your schedule. 1harder is correct, but not so right as to preempt you. Everyone will deal with your decision.


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    There def isnt a person that everyone trusts on here in general, let alone one trusted enough to be a mod... When Airmax was given mod status on DDO it was only because of an endorsement and universal praise by the previous mod innomen, who was basically a godfather of DDO from its earliest creation. A candidate worthy of being mod isnt going to be someone who naturally rises above the rest of the community, it'll be someone who starts off with nothing but a chance who can only work their way up amongst the community by how they handle the job. 

    It might not be a bad idea to create TWO mods who would balance each other out, that way if one rushes to a rash decision the other could try to reign them in if they feel its appropriate. After a while if one mod proves himself and the other becomes a tad inactive, then that first person become the main mod and we have our version of Airmax
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    excessive cursing in a belligerent manner,
    Fmpov either excessive cursing itself is impermisible or its allowed. "In a belligerant manner" is too subjective of a metric imo 🤔. And such instances would more efficiently just be kept a part of "targeted harassment". If two people are going back and forth heatedly, usage of directed profane language excessive or otherwise, isnt imho something that would constitute as a punishable offense. 

    derailing threads not made to host drama,

    This is an interesting point, and again would probably best fit within the targeted harassment metric. Fmpov if say two people have a tendency to get into heated arguments, might do so repeatedly, and would to easily be stretched to include ongoing drama.
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    Flame wars themselves as an independent metric seems too broad as well. If the content in the flame wars themselves is violating ToS, that would be sufficient enough, no?

    The only other complaint i can reasonably think of would potentially be others who have to witness it. But this is where a block functionality comes into play. Deleting of the thread itself if it was a violation of ToS or contains violations therein seems a facially obvious step that's wholly within reason to these violations.

    For Restraining Orders, why would a block functionality not solve this? Restraining Orders seems redundant and fmpov seem to just be adding arbitrary behavioral requirements for the purpose of adding severity to an offense/ a desire to expand banning powers beyond things that themselves violate ToS. As shown by the previously stated:

    A violation of a RO can make a setup for another temp ban super easy should another incident happen

    If two people are going back and forth in such a manner that violates ToS, that itself would be all that's necessary as a metric for bans. Adding a behavioral standard that in itself, as presented would be predicated upon standards that are subjective and could lead to adjudicatory dilemma 🤔

    If two users in an RO are in a thread together... just one perceived line referring to something vague could be taken as a dig at the other person in the RO, leading to another powder keg to explode

     though the RO was present, the violations of it caused were not of intent to break the RO, rather, from a percieved breaking of it. Not sure I feel so positive about punishing actions that lack intent.

    Behavioral standards like, "keep it civil" and "no drama" are best left up to the discretion of the users themselves to excercise through a block functionality. Maybe a block from seeing user (X) posts in (Y) thread functionality? 

    Slanderous posts themselves also seem like they would just fit under "targeted harassment". It's reasonable fmpov to have the expectation that heat generated in one thread should not spill over into others. However, the qualifier to that fmpov would be that the heat that spills over, not pertain to the topic of the thread created. 

    If person X and person Y get into it on topic A. But then proceed to also on topic B, C, and D, in threads that were individually created on those topics, That fmpov doesn't constitute as reasonable grounds to police behavior. 🤔

    Plus, as Smithers pointed out, a block functionality once implemented will solve most of these issues 

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    Not a bad idea.
  • RationalMadman
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    I should be mod and ban everyone who stands in my way thank you.
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    This is why VPN’s are very useful. 
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    What is that supposed to mean?
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    I should be mod and ban everyone who stands in my way thank you.
    This.

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    You think I am afraid of you hiding?

    I told you I see people beyond what they think I see.

    I don't care if you're behind three VPNs in with a group of Linux nerds who have custom built their computer with the most undetectable of AMD chips at the core (Intel spies on you if you didn't know, but the joke is AMD does too). Do what you want, I am in touch with much higher powers than you heathens.

    Try terrorize my website if I make one and you'll learn what a third eye is. I can spot you before anyone else, no reveal required. I sense you far before you are blatant to other humans.


  • Zeichen
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    You think I am afraid of you hiding?

    I told you I see people beyond what they think I see.

    I don't care if you're behind three VPNs in with a group of Linux nerds who have custom built their computer with the most undetectable of AMD chips at the core (Intel spies on you if you didn't know, but the joke is AMD does too). Do what you want, I am in touch with much higher powers than you heathens.

    Try terrorize my website if I make one and you'll learn what a third eye is. I can spot you before anyone else, no reveal required. I sense you far before you are blatant to other humans.

    Seek help.
  • 1harderthanyouthink
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    So about that need for moderation.
  • RationalMadman
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    Should I bring some screenshots again?
  • 1harderthanyouthink
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    Screenshots of PMs ought be not posted publicly.

  • RationalMadman
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    Neither should insults to my mental health be typed by the fingers of a deeply unhinged psychopath.
  • 1harderthanyouthink
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    Look at how much you put into these flame wars, and look at how much she is responding with. Stop.
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  • Zeichen
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    Screenshots of PMs ought be not posted publicly.
    Exactly. I've had the opportunity to post many screenshots showing vituperative messages from both RM and Zarroette, but I have refrained.  
  • RationalMadman
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    Show them please. Or take it back.
  • RationalMadman
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    Show the PMs right now regarding me.