No go areas in the UK

Why don't you do some research and find out why the term 'moderate' is an issue in the Muslim world?

Anyway, you must be extremely pleased - and relieved - to have found something that can be construed as almost justifying saying that there are no-go areas and that 'great swaths of the uk' have been overtaken by muslims.

I think it also exemplifies why I started a thread 'Why is Islam backward' and my link to an excellent article on why the prospects of reforming islam are poor at this time.

on why the prospects of reforming islam are poor at this time.

Yes an article that seems to go all the way in supporting what I say, not you.

 (In fact I know you do, because you keep calling me an Islamic apologist!).

I note that Parkfield school has not 'caved in'.  

we can scarce afford to deport Moeen Ali or Abdul Rashid until after we have won the world cup.

I'm sorry Yassine, you are badly informed. Saint Luke wrote the Acts of tbe Apostles, not Paul. Paul did not corrupt the faith as you falsely believe. We know what we believe, and heretics are not arbitrarily identified. They are identified as such because they contradict the teachings of the Apostles, who Jesus Christ trusted with the Church that the gates of hell will not overcome. We know where these heresies originate.

We do not worship a man as God, Yassine. If this was the case, why would Saint Paul himself write, 

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man"

The Apostles surely vetted Paul. He was certainly Chrismated by them. He did not corrupt the faith.

As I said, if you don't believe every bishop can be traced back to the apostles, ask one of them, not me. They will show you their credentials.

Ghassanid Kingdom accepted the council of Chalcedon, so they were indeed Orthodox. They would have honored Paul.

One of the amazing things about Paul is that before his road to Damascus experience where he witnessed the riisen Lord, he was a persecuter of the Christians, and very zealously so.

You are such an angry little thing aren't you?

- Even if we suppose Luke wrote Acts, he has never met either Paul or Peter. In fact, he contradicts Paul's own accounts. & that's the thing, no one of these characters has proof or testimony through unbroken chains to corroborate their supposed accounts & claims. Why are the sources of such foundational doctrine so unreliable & always written in implicit ambiguous text?? We believe in Twheed, a doctrine that's asserted virtually on every page of the Quran.

- Then, show me. But I will tell you, you can't, because it doesn't exist.

- Ghassan had many sects... by the 6th century, most Christians in the Middle East did indeed believe in the divinity of Jesus (pbuh). Many other didn't.

- Supposedly, & then he rejected the Law. The thing is, many of these 'heretical' or 'gnostic' gospels (such as the Gospel of Thomas, & the Gospel of Judas) agree with the Islamic account of Jesus & Mary (pbut), yet later on rejected by the Church in favor of other gospels ascribing some level of divinity onto Jesus.

I think I posted that link previously

I think what you're getting at is that 'Moderate' is not the same as 'Liberal or 'Progressive'!

That is, I think, true.  I think its very likely that conditions and events - local and global -  have resulted in many British muslims adopting a more 'narrow and conservative' reading of Islam than even a generation or so ago.  

The question is do we want British muslims to be more liberal or do we want them not here at all? 

   I think that the latter is not only odious it is impossible! 

  We have no choice but to attempt the former, no matter how difficult it seems.

It gets even harder with people like Stephen demonising Islam and Muslims at every opportunity! 

I think we do need to discuss the social impact of Islam,

 but there's more to debate than posting videos selected to show muslims in a bad light.

You addressed the post to me directly, now your talking in the second person. What is the matter with you prosser.

Listen Prosser. I don't blame MUSLIMS for  doing what they doing. They will do what it takes for themselves and their barbaric ideology to survive. I blame absolute bastards like you for refusing to see what  MUSLIMS are doing to preserve their ideology. so fk you gain prosser!.....

The details are not clear, but something is pushing muslims - especially younger muslims - into adopting conservative interpretations of Islam. 

Listen Prosser. I don't blame MUSLIMS for  doing what they are doing. They will do what it takes for themselves and their barbaric ideology to survive. I blame absolute bastards like you for refusing to see what  MUSLIMS are doing to preserve their ideology. so fk you gain prosser!.....

That's to be expected generally speaking, but not particularly among youth.  Considering that they live in an environment hostile to actual Islamic doctrine, conservatism proves a logical necessity.

The details are not clear, but something is pushing muslims - especially younger muslims - into adopting conservative interpretations of Islam.

I found myself curious that you found what can be presumed a political ideology (conservatism) fitting for Islam, whilst among evangelical Christianity in the United States you mentioned fundamentalism which is essentially a slightly more liberal reading conforming with orthodoxy, but with different traditions and not "within the church".

Keith: The details are not clear, but something is pushing muslims - especially younger muslims - into adopting conservative interpretations of Islam. 

Snoopy: That's to be expected generally speaking, but normally not particularly among youth.  Considering that they live in an environment hostile to actual Islamic doctrine, conservatism proves a logical necessity.

"This is a muslim area move away. Move away now , don't come back. This is a muslim area, your not allowed here"...

Not wanting to enter a neighbourhood because you feel threatened by brown people having the audacity to sit around and be all brown without apologizing does not make it a no go zone.

It would help your cause of not being taken as a bigot if you stopped referring to your opponents as 'absolute bastards'!