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If you believe that an infinite god exists, then everything that exists must be part of this infinite god.
This makes every voice the voice of god and every book the word of god.
If you believe that an infinite god exists, then everything that exists must be part of this infinite god.
I can believe that there is a 100% steel teapot that is also 100% made of ceramicTherefore I do believe that there is a 100% steel teapot that is also 100% made of ceramic
Do you know how a brain works?
What you're describing is called, "gainsaying". [LINK]
An argument was made.
No one is claiming to have provided a counterargument.
This doesn’t mean that there is 100% no god.
This makes every voice the voice of god and every book the word of god.
This doesn’t mean that there is 100% no god.The claim that "god exists" is an appeal to ignorance if you refuse to define which specific version of gods you are referring to.The gods that most people care about proving are logically incoherent.People only care about the hypothetical existence of gods (IFF) it empowers them in some way.Only logically incoherent gods bestow wisdom to special specific chosen prophets and make them write dusty old books of rules.The gods that are possible are necessarily (EITHER) incomprehensible (OR) indistinguishable from pure imagination.
I can believe that there is a 100% steel teapot that is also 100% made of ceramicTherefore I do believe that there is a 100% steel teapot that is also 100% made of ceramicWhere's the logical contradiction?
Do you know how a brain works?No.
This makes every voice the voice of god and every book the word of god.If you think that god IS the universe, then this would be the case. What most theists believe is that their god/gods created the universe, and is therefore outside of it.
The gods that are possible are necessarily (EITHER) incomprehensible (OR) indistinguishable from pure imagination.It's basically Russel's Teapot worded differently. We can't say for sure that there isn't a teapot with X characteristics in between Earth and Mars, but it would be more of a stretch to say that there is, without concrete evidence to back it up.
This example points out the fact that the syllogism is so vague and general that it allows all statements to be true, even nonsensical ones. In other words, if you take it at face value, it doesn't mean anything. Again, this goes back to the point that just because you believe something, doesn't make it true.
Does the fact that there is a thought (specific pattern of neurons firing) about something mean that the thing that is being thought about automatically exists? No.
Just like how a painting of an apple isn't itself an apple (try eating it), the pattern of neurons being fired corresponding to an apple isn't itself an apple, either.
Likewise, the thought (pattern of neurons firing) of a particular god/set of gods doesn't mean that the god/gods exist(s).
Actually, a claim was made.
My point exactly.
Demonstrate the logical contradiction or absurdity. Nothing else.
It's literally explained the sentence after this.Does the fact that there is a thought (specific pattern of neurons firing) about something mean that the thing that is being thought about automatically exists? No.Why not?
Just like how a painting of an apple isn't itself an apple (try eating it), the pattern of neurons being fired corresponding to an apple isn't itself an apple, either.Operating on your logic, the term apple doesn't exist. So I have no idea of that about which you're talking.
Likewise, the thought (pattern of neurons firing) of a particular god/set of gods doesn't mean that the god/gods exist(s).Operating on your logic, your response doesn't exist. So '' '' ''' '' '' ....
It is, however, perfectly safe to say that Russel's Teapot is INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM PURE IMAGINATION
Yes, but this is besides my point.AND HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO BEARING ON OUR DAILY LIVES AND OR OUR CONCEPTS OF HUMAN MORALITY.
I'm not really sure how you're getting the "outside of it" part.The most common definition I've found is the "omnipotent", "omniscient", "omnibenevolent", "creator" (OOOC or 3OC).
Enjoy the rest of your evening and good luck in your future discussions.You see, I have this IMPECCABLE proof that I 100% have that will open your third eye, but I'm simply CHOOSING not to reveal it.
Thank you.Enjoy the rest of your evening and good luck in your future discussions
Please substantiate your claim.I'm willing to entertain any definition of "spirituality" you personally prefer
God exists everywhere, inside and "outside" the observable universe.God exists outside of the observable universe.
Unless you are able to observe what is beyond the observable universe, you will not be able to observe god.
If so, then where?
If not, then he is unobservable.
Has God made Himself known to us in any way outside of the bible?
That which can be observed is therefore observable.
So let me ask you this: do you believe that the absence of a counterargument mitigates your onus?
AND HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO BEARING ON OUR DAILY LIVES AND OR OUR CONCEPTS OF HUMAN MORALITY.Yes, but this is besides my point.
But...."That which cannot be observed is therefore nonexistent."Doesn't get the approval of logic.
That which can observe is therefore observable.Whether that be extra-sensory, ergo sensory observability, or internal data processing/thoughtful observance.
Even the bible agrees that God is not observable, but it is a logical leap to go from that to God not existing.
Spirituality is about a person's relationship with the transcendent questions that confront one as a human being.
This may or may not involve relationships with God, this is why even atheists can be spiritual.
What you've done is tied spirituality to God, whom you think doesn't exist, and thus conclude spirituality is delusional.
But your definition of spirituality is actually the definition of religion. Even the bible distinguishes the difference between religion and spirituality.
Some spirituality can be delusional of course, but to say that "all spirituality" is delusional is to assert what you cannot possibly know.
What "transcendent questions" specifically are you vaguely hinting at?
Sure, it might be "the force" or "angels" or "ghosts" or "auras" or any number of vague metaphors.
The same principle applies regardless.
If they aren't independently verifiable
logically necessary,
...then they are, by definition, imaginary.
Thanks for the straw-man.
What I've done is examined the definition if "imaginary" and contrasted it with the definition of "exist".
Please explain what you believe are the key distinctions between "religion" and "spirituality".
Some sightings of BigFoot are delusional of course, but to say that "all sightings of BigFoot" are delusional is to assert what you cannot possibly know.
God exists outside of the observable universe.God exists everywhere, inside and "outside" the observable universe.Unless you are able to observe what is beyond the observable universe, you will not be able to observe god.God also exists inside the observable universe too. And is able to affect me, though I cannot observe Him.
If so, then where?God is like an electron in an electron cloud. He does not have a specific physical locus unless He chooses to physically manifest in one.
If not, then he is unobservable.You seem to be using "observable" as "real". That is an incorrect usage of the word. Many real things are not observable, and for a long time, many things observable now were not observable.Your actual argument is that God does not exist and is therefore unobservable. So I will not allow you to hide behind a misuse of the term, "observable".Even the bible agrees that God is not observable, but it is a logical leap to go from that to God not existing.
Has God made Himself known to us in any way outside of the bible?That should be obvious. God was known for thousands of years all over the world before there was a bible. The bible itself is only an indication that God made Himself known.
Which supports my point that though we cannot observe God, He can observe us and affect the world in which we live
How does God affect you?
Has God ever chosen to specifically appear in any physical location before (outside of the bible)?
If the Judeo-Christian god...
...was known all around the world for thousands of years, then how come the vast majority of the world worshipped other deities?
Has He ever done this outside of the bible?
How does God affect you?He created me. An easier question would be, "How does God NOT affect me.
Has God ever chosen to specifically appear in any physical location before (outside of the bible)?To my knowledge, God has never chosen to specifically appear inside of a bible.(That was a really weird question)
If the Judeo-Christian god...Please, I said nothing about any Judeo-Christian god. As there is only one God, He needs no qualification.
...was known all around the world for thousands of years, then how come the vast majority of the world worshipped other deities?Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.Rom 1:22 - Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,Rom 1:23 - And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.Rom 1:24 - Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:Rom 1:25 - Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.Has He ever done this outside of the bible?Yes. Rom 1:18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;Rom 1:19 - Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.Rom 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
See how I answered all of your questions without running or dodging?