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Those were most/all of the times you went off-topic. Thus it is not cherry picking.
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But what was it you were showing and that Dr. Frbaklin replied to?
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What program is this supporting?

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I want Mike's answer.
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What do you mean?

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I want Mike's answer.
Can't you imply that from here? 

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Hey!
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Omar the word you're looking for is 'infer' not 'imply' just so you know.
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Dr. Franklin replied to me and Ramshutu having on-topic bickering. You agreed with him.
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I'm not saying that you didn't on-topic bicker. I'm just saying that the times which you went off-topic constitute "meaningless". Your on-topic bickering wasn't helping either, but I'm just simply focusing on the times you went off-topic, for that is the worst type of bickering.
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Interesting, why was the on-topic bickering not helping? Would you like us all to be sheep and join the browser, use the browser and think we are 'private' and 'secure'? Brave browser specialises in the appearance of privacy and anonymity. It's based on Chromium and honestly I don't know why I am not permitted to explain that no browser type other than Firefox is capable of being truly privacy driven because that is the very pillar around which the Firefox browser is built and is why TOR is based on Firefox and not Chromium. There are too many parts of Chromium's coding that force, encourage and/or reward you allowing them to track your activity and the punishment for refusing to do so is extremely awkward needing to remember all your accounts yourself etc. Firefox compartmentalises things very effectively, allowing you to have them remember passwords in one area, that you can individually delete, cookies in another that you can delete 'everything except sites X, Y Z' up to a certain point in history or you can go site by site if you want and do this. You even can delete specific cookies of specific sites if you have the time and effort and this is made extremely straightforward as long as you are willing to think and use the buttons that blatantly mean 'go here to do this' and not just click one button hoping all your dreams come true.

Firefox separates many things in your browser's logging so that even Mozilla itself would struggle to create an overall 'profile' of you even if you never ever deleted your history. The reason is that you store all the cookies and such locally but even if you are enabling cross-device 'profile' of your data, Mozilla encrypts it even to themselves. This means if you ever truly forgot your password, they'd never be able to help you get it back (but law enforcement would know how to decrypt the encrypted stuff since they'd work out the key with their expert crackers in no time and it's possible that Mozilla has somewhere got an encrypted key for that encryption of each account to use to decrypt it but the point stands that the organisation functions well by compartmentalising.

Compartmentalising is something I don't do enough of and maybe soon I will. It involves separating my IRL self from my 'online letting off steam' self and also from my 'professional self' severely. the three should never mix in a truly optimal psyche for online anonymity, meaning even patterns of speaking, things spoken about and such would all differ between the three personas. Some people require a fourth persona if they have a particularly public-spotlight job as they'll have a persona for the public and then another persona for their general coworkers in daily working environment.

This is nothing new, I already knew it but it's most prominently come up due to a YTer I enjoy watching regarding these things:


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You didn't get my point, did you?
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Well, by the supporting program I meant this -> https://publishers.basicattentiontoken.org/, but I highly doubt it's gonna be much of a use for such a tiny website as ours, but at least it's a chance for people to try out a new browser, maybe some will even like it.

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This sounds like a good idea

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Still using it.

From Brave Rewards I have: 
5.35BAT or 0.90 USD
From 88 ads.

Still haven't used it for a month so it can go up to 1 USD. 

I used it from the 16th August up until now so I think I would get around 1.6 to 1.9 USD in a month.
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What's this...

To an admin that has completely disregarded me, put a bastard in power who unfairly rigs enforcement of rules against many including me and in the favour of a select few? Yeah, that's also why I stopped the Patreon donating after 2 months. I owe Mr. Mike nothing.
....all about?

When and how did RationalMadman get "disregarded"?
What "bastard in power" are you all talking about?
What "enforcement of rules" was unfairly rigged?
What "select few" what it rigged in favor of?
Who is Mike??????????????????????????????
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I don't think RM is going to respond
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The idea behind it is nice I think, also it allows you control how much ads you want to see, so you can earn more or less from viewing it and I believe those ads don't do the tracking as much as Google ones do.

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Firefox is the correct option. If you use Chrome browser, alter your privacy settings, do not sync it to an account and get the add-ons of Privacy Badger, HTTPS Everywhere, a decent VPN, WebRTC Leak Preventer and Adblock (the VPN is optional as all good ones are premium, not free), you will have as good and private an experience online as what Brave Browser offers.

If you are particularly paranoid and value privacy over convenience, uBlockOrigin will do you just fine.

If you get Firefox, get the same add-ons but leave out the webRTC leak preventer. On Privacy Badger set it to never leak WebRTC and then go ahead and set your browsing security to 'strict' (I can help you work out where this is located if need be). You will find one of the best browsing experiences ever. Note that if you sync firefox, unlike with Chrome, even if you do it via your gmail, everything is encrypted on Mozilla's servers such that only the very highest law enforcement can demand to decrypt it and use it at any stage. Regularly delete your history (cookies and cache too) if you please.

Using Firefox in private browsing mode (their equivalent of Chrome's incognito) with those extensions all enabled in that mode, is actually superior to brave browser in privacy, because Chromium is flawed and enabled cookie tracking in ways it never ever can or will prevent like Firefox can. Firefox kills tracking at a native app/program level with 'strict browsing security' settings. This is not at all possible with Chromium products, meaning that what is prevented is at the level of the cookie then sending it to whoever owns it, meaning your browser itself did send that data to its own headquarters in an unencrypted and very reachable manner. This is why TOR browser has absolutely no Chromium equivalent and it never, ever will.

I have said my piece and I am not against what you're doing here. It's win-win if people use this browser and your site gets hosted cheaper on your end for it but do not disguise true private browsing as more or less achievable with/without Brave browser than it is.
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uBlockOrigin instead of Adblock is privacy vs convenience but if you use Adblock Plus instead of either, you are going for a pointless 'balance' since uBO is simply superior to ABP in all regards other than easier whitelisting of ads. Adblock is superior to both in how well it blocks all kinds of ads and how efficiently it lets you whitelist, its drawback is not being open-source requiring trust. Interestingly, despite this, it demands far less access to your data. ABP and uBlockOrigin ask to see your entire internet history and track your progress through sites... That is not at all needed for an adblocker... Lol.
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Nvm
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WebRTC Network Limiter is equally good and trudtowrthy as WebRTC Leak Prevent. Sorry for endorsing one over the other. If you know what tbe options do/mean, the former is actually better sloghtly because of an extra setting. Really both have three settings but the former has a fourth that does enable leaks almost as little as the other thats similar but isnt airtight because for the sake of speed or in online conference chats will let your real IP be used.

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For anyone interested in the advice I just gave, I have fully confirmed that if you have privacy badger and correctly configure it, webrtc literally does not leak. In fact a WebRTC leak stopping extension will be overriden by privacy badger to ensure it doesn't leak, regardless. All good VPNs since around 2017 learned of this leak and implemented stoppers to it but that's only if you have the 'true program VPN' whereas if you are trying to use their extension to access VPN, they won't usually stop webRTC leaks unless they're an extremely good one (I believe NordVPN stops it, even with the extension).

On firefox, go into 'options' of privacy badger (I can show you where if you want, PM me for advice or ask in public) and select 'stop WebRTC leaks manually. On Chrome this may not be an option, especially if you have a good VPN because Chrome interacts more actively with other things that override webRTC leaks and will actively stop the leaks if the VPN asks the browser to. this, then makes it stop all other extensions trying to prevent WebRTC leaks because it doesn't like any 2 extensions having power over the same thing if it can be avoided.

Firefox allows you to do the same thing multiple ways, so it doesn't stop you preventing webrtc leak with privacy badger on top of your VPN stopping it (the same thing being done twice).
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gonna give privacy badger a go, thank you so much Radman
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privacy badger and https everywhere are both made and run by EFF: https://www.eff.org/

so, while technically they could 'snoop in' on some pages and content, if you had to trust anyone, you should probably trust these guys.

This again will break down into 'but it aint open source', but originally, while developing both https everywhere and privacy badger, a lot was open source. There is a reason why they can't release privacy badger open source; it uses a copyrighted learning algorithm that wouldn't be good to reveal to the tracker cookie designers.

HTTPS everywhere is entirely open source if you understand how to read coding and follow its explanation of what it's doing.

It learns from you as well, turn a lot of the yellows into greens or reds, it will learn and adapt to your preferences over time. This then can be seen as a new form of tracking but if you don't want that, go for any other tracker prevented and rely on 'lists of trackers' that the tracker cookies are always steps ahead of. Privacy Badger basically is adapting to the type of thing that's being tracked, whether the tracker cookie was made 12 years ago or today, it will immediately adapt to how much is being tracked and cut it off before the new cookie (or old) ever gets to track you. 

A weakness in privacy badger (which is present in all tracking cookie blockers) is that if the website says it 'needs it to work' but really doesn't need it to work, it can trick privacy badger into unbanning a potentially sinister tracking cookie. That's really its only flaw and only is a real worry if you're on websites that you should be using TOR browser to visit anyway as that has 0-risk of tracking cookies working properly.