---Celebrity Mafia: DP1---

I am likely to do that too, unless one of them end up dead by mafia lol.

 Warren, Pie, Mhar 

scumteam.

Discuss.

We have an absurdly large town pool. It would be dumb not to lynch. 

Not so sure about Warren myself but I will have a better idea tomorrow after re reading. Good point about asking F4 for attractiveness justification given that both you and I got one.

I could buy that scum team actually moment are in my town pool. 

That's weird reasoning. I argue the opposite. If we have such a large townpool, we may need to let one die in order to find more info. I mean, if we're wrong, then we lynch a townsperson and the scum kill one. Then it's not so large anymore. No matter what we do, scum kill one townsperson. We shouldn't allow the opportunity of two townspeople being killed. DP1 is too risky, imo.

Warren seems like he is scum hunting so I want to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Yah damn warren is really good at scumhunting

A lynch shrinks the scum pool even if the person is town I am okay with bringing us to mylo sooner if it gets us an accurate scum pool. The mission here is not about preventing town deaths. It is about finding scum and eliminating them

Oh, seems I just earned my second silver badge lol

I agree that's the mission, but if we completely ignore the idea of preventing town deaths, that could easily lead to scum victory.

I mean, we are going to have at least like 4 day phases probably. We don't need to complete the mission in one day, and we literally can't.

If we start lynching and it's a townsperson, wouldn't you start second-guessing yourself about your reasoning so far? We shouldn't second-guess ourselves. We need more clarity/surety.

You seem overly concerned with self preservation. Why?

Okay logging off now but here is a brief look at my reads before I go. Doesn't help too much if I don't explain my reasoning but I will get more in-depth tomorrow.

Town - Grey, Wylted, Speed, Club

Null - CC, Oro, mhar, pie

Suspicious - Warren

Lynch candidate - press, Supa

Keep in mind I have not read the last few pages.

I should say this. I don't care if it is a town's person we lynch. I only care about shrinking the scum pool. If I lynched a member of town I would be like "Awesome, I am one step closer to victory"

This is a very fair point. A townsperson wouldn't care as much for that, given well, 1-2 or 3 townspeople are guaranteed to die, but can still win as a team.

Alright, I think you've legit made my suspicsions about you, Wylted, disappear. I still stand with my VTNL though. I get it's super obvious he is scum, but I just can't stop thinking about the possibility of the amount of reverse psychology he could be using. 

The error of giving a shit about reverse psychology https://youtu.be/z9TRMQwMNnY

Granted, he only started to make more scum tells after I had suggested the idea there could be lynch-related roles.

I know man... I'm aware of WIFOMe.

Shit... But why did you change your VTL then if you're convinced he is scum?

I was never convinced. I was trying to elicit tells. It worked

Fair enough. I was doing that to an extent, as well.

I am logging off for the night.

IMPORTANT SCUM TELL

Funny, I was reading this article yesterday https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Balancing_Possibilities_Versus_Probabilities

What's described there is EXACTLY what both Press and Cogent are doing right now

Cogent says it's obvious Press is scum BUT WHAT IF

Press says you should lynch him BUT WHAT IF

Plus Press says that we'll benefit from lynching him, then when people pile on, he immediately backtracks and has a speech about why we shouldn't

The only reason I'm not scum piling Wylted too is specifically because he said you SHOULDN'T care about reverse psychology in post 378

All that said, we should definitely lynch Press

Please read above

That's true. The what it's is something I have seemed to fall for also when the scu.miness should be clear. F4 lied about the attractiveness of O'Pry and won't elaborate on what bsh1 said. He also is asking us what ifs about his alignment instead of explaining why he is town. I think I I have over valued the town tell he elicited earlier. It shouldn't erase the scum tells. 

Press also is mimicking town players. After he dies we might have an easy time finding scum through relationships analysis