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Speedrace is in the town pile also
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@Wylted
Not sure why CC thinks you can't hunt behaviorally

I would err a little more on the side of caution, particularly with this being a forum mafia. I can't imagine it being the same as in-person mafia. If I was able to see facial expressions, body language, etc, I would be much more wanting to VTL on dp1. It's easier to deceive online. 

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This could simply be because I'm rather new to forum mafia, perhaps I'm being too cautious with it. Nonetheless, most communication occurs vis-a-vis. 
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@Cogent_Cognizer
It's easier to deceive online.

Having played both in person mafia and forum mafia I would like to point out that this is a blatant falsehood.

Uness your in-person games included all conversations being recorded and also giving the players several days to review said recordings at their leisure as we are given in forum mafia, that is. If your in-person games included that though then they were very different than mine.

I would like you to give me your reads on all the players have come on so far so that I might be able to take my vote off you.
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@Wylted
Speedrace is in the town pile also

Yeah if I had to guess I would say he is town. I don't have to guess though so I will leave him null for now.

Help me pressure CC to give us his reads please. If he is scum playing dumb we might catch some sort of slip, if he is town then by forcing him to go through the game and develop reads we help him to learn how to play the game properly. Win-win for us.
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I have a night action that is effectively harmless. 
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You never did translate your soft claim like I asked.
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Having played both in person mafia and forum mafia I would like to point out that this is a blatant falsehood.
Well, I wouldn't know, as I said:

This could simply be because I'm rather new to forum mafia, perhaps I'm being too cautious with it.



I would like you to give me your reads on all the players have come on so far so that I might be able to take my vote off you.
How in the world is it logical to vote for someone because they've not given their reads on everyone else yet? But sure, give me some time to look at each again and carefully. 

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Very well, here's my first official read of DP1 messages:


Wylted and Disc seem especially eager to find out who is town. Too much so, to the point that it's over-doing it. Note how sure Wylted is of who is on their side in comment 197 of page 8. Disc, he lists on his side, who is now VTL'ing me, despite that I'm acting cautios - as someone on the town side would. Why would they claim so much certanty who is on their team, everyone? This is Mafia. Elaborate planning, to make us think they are on one side is much easier in a forum where we can't see their body language. 

But, it is very obvious they are acting extremely desperate to find out who is town - no town member would be that desperate to the point of trying to convince so hard, on merely DP1, that a few people are town. Note the small group Wylted has claimed to be town thus far: about the same amount of people who would be scum. 

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Wylted comment #193 on page 8:

I assume 3 based on 12 player games bsh1 has created in the past. If bsh1 has bought into 3 being too high of a number he may have hedged a bit by making it 2 scum and one solo win third party. Most likely 3 scum though

Wylted comment #197 on page 8:

I know me grey parrot and disc are town Nd by the end of the dp I will move more into town or scum blocks. 50% is a conservative estimate. When it is said and done the true likelihood of hitting scum will probably be above 75.65% 
Note they say they assume 3 mafia, and name a total of 3 people on their team, whom he claims are "town". 

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Furthermore, these three didn't all come together to VTL someone(which is something mafia would take a precaution), but these three made this mistake of associating themselves and desperately finding who is town to the point of desperately wanting to make us believe they are town.



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To clarify what I mean about them not coming together to VTL someone:

If all of the scum come together to VTL, that can reveal all of them, as they would all VTL the same person. However, only Wylted had done so, while the other supposed town members he figured out were town, chose not to hop on his bandwagon. Indeed, one of them voted to bring attention to me, to VTL me, a separate town member, which is a good strategy for scum to do: somewhat split up their votes to avoid suspicion. 

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More proof of my theory that Oro is racist toward Mediterraneans
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Doing some catching up, dont mind me
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@PressF4Respect
Play the reverse card
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What does mafia have to do with sx
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@Wylted
Anderson Cooper. Thats mine. Very high praise from him as a "white hair wonder"
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Compared him to a grey fox
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@PressF4Respect
When I started mafia I even knew what soft claim was w.o experience. kinda hard to believe. will keep reading tho
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@PressF4Respect
its the guy in both videos. whats his name

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@Wylted
He did on DDO. Sean O Pry is definetly someone who he finds hot. All the people he finds out could be scum and people who he is not attracted too are town
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People who he respects are power roles
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Clarify on 227:

It never says he found him attractive, but he found a lot of respect for him
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Sean O Pry is his
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@Wylted
Good read

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Ok, why are people coming to this conclusion that bsh1 would put unattractive people in with the scum and attractive people with the town?

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You guys are really going to base VTL's off of what you think the one person in this game does who can't give us any clues?
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I'd just like to remind everyone of some tips from more experienced players, and it's generally true. So from the third resource that bsh1 provided, it says:

The first category of tells comes from the fact that mafia already know who the town are. What does this mean in practice? When townies read posts, they immediately start trying to figure out whether it is comes from town or mafia. They cannot help but treat the game like a puzzle that has to be solved. When mafia read posts, on the other hand, they already know whether said posts come from town or mafia. They know the solution to the puzzle. Hence, they have to consciously fabricate analysis to create the illusion that they are looking for answers just like the townies.

So with that in mind.... who right now is trying the hardest at trying to figure out who townspeople are? See comments  219-222 of mine on page 9 for who I think it is, and be sure to read over how those players have been acting.

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If you guys lynch me and I turn out to be a townsperson, or mafia NK's me, take that as further confirmation of what I said above.
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Let's lynch me guys, and see how it turns out.