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Your true creator is the universe. I say true because god has not been confirmed, the universe has. Our universe is where we come from. We are made of the same atoms that it is made out of. We grew from the ground here on this planet in this universe and became what we are now. There is no matter imported from another universe inside you. If you can't find it on the periodic table of elements you don't have it in you. The universe created you in the same way that a flowing river creates a valley. It has no more intent or plan than a river does.

All of this will not affect god because he can be forever moved to just beyond what we know. God is where we will mark our ignorance as if to say, beyond here there lies dragons.

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I doubt that.
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Your true creator is the universe.
Sorry, I don't subscribe to Luciferian ideology.

I say true because god has not been confirmed, the universe has.
God has been "confirmed." Materialists just reject the rubric of this confirmation.

Our universe is where we come from. We are made of the same atoms that it is made out of.
And according to KJV Bible, we are made in the image of God. I don't see how your statement is anymore substantial than that.

We grew from the ground here on this planet in this universe and became what we are now.
Well Adam was made from the dust of Earth so your statement neither contradicts nor refutes that.

There is no matter imported from another universe inside you. If you can't find it on the periodic table of elements you don't have it in you. The universe created you in the same way that a flowing river creates a valley. It has no more intent or plan than a river does.
How do you know? Is the absence of "evidence" the evidence of absence?

All of this will not affect god because he can be forever moved to just beyond what we know. God is where we will mark our ignorance as if to say, beyond here there lies dragons.
But we do know God. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to perceive God. If God is rendered as an entity "beyond what we know," then your assessment is entirely insubstantial because it is "beyond what you know."
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If by Luciferian ideology you mean reality then you must have something that trumps reality! What could it be!

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I'm not understanding exactly what you are saying.  Are you saying the universe wasn't created?  if it wasn't how did it come to be?
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I don’t know. (what happened before the beginning)

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well sure no one really does, but the "big bang" seems to be the most logical, but then the question is, did it just happen (if so how) or was it caused to happen, which do you think is more plausible?  Since that is the very beginning everything would hinge on that imo.
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I know about that, I don't know what happened before.
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not even a guess or theory you think is the most probable?  I mean what would be your best guess?  Only 2 things I can think of, either it just happened, or something willfully caused it to happen.  I'm not sure there is any other possibilities.
If it just happened, well that seems like magic or something.
If it was caused to happen, intelligent design, that seems more plausible to me.
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If by Luciferian ideology you mean reality then you must have something that trumps reality!
Do you not know what Luciferianism is?

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Of course, doesn’t everybody?

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Of course, doesn’t everybody?
Well, you ought to, since it's the predominant ideology in the Western world. It's usually disguised through catholicism, hinduism, and greco-roman mythology.

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There is plenty of educated speculation, but we don't know how to test or observe it, or if it even can be tested or observed. How do you think about things that existed before space itself existed? What were things like before space?

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"Your true creator is the universe".

We are made of the same stuff as the universe. So we are therefore both resultant of the same creation. Whatever that may be.

Your eulogy was very nice and poetic, but ill founded.
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What about Christianity?

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What was my error?
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We are part of the universe. Rather than a creation of the universe.

We surmise that the universe was created and that we are a consequence of the same creation.
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We are made of the same stuff as the universe. So we are therefore both resultant of the same creation.

After re reading this I’m not sure what it is your are saying, canyou expand on it?


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So you want to talk about semantics? No thanks.

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Ok. Last try at explaining before I retire to bed here in the U.K.

You explicitly stated; "Your true creator is the universe".

I simply tried to point out that the universe and humanity are both products of the same creation.
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What about Christianity?
No, only religions with Pagan origins (and yes I know that Catholicism is a sect of Christianity; hence my mention of "disguise.")

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You were created by natural forces.

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Your true creator is the universe.
Sorry, I don't subscribe to Luciferian ideology.
I believe everything is god, including the universe... so in part he's right, he just hasn't thought beyond that... which, whatever... but, how is that Luciferian? 
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Merriam Webster defines "universe" as...

"the whole body of things and phenomena observed or postulated"

Merriam Webster defines "God" as...

"The Supreme or Ultimate Reality"


Clearly God is not an observation or a postulation. Therefore, God is not contained by the universe. The universe on the other hand could not exist without God.

You can be more certain of the existence of God than anything else.



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Some would say that we evolved from universal matter.