When Utopia Crumbles: LIVE THREAD

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I think it is clear to everyone, including you, that I was joking. You, of all people, should be familiar with my sense of humor. It is precisely because of reactions like this that I don't often make jokes on this site and why I come across as robotic. 

This site--like DDO--allows people to argue for pedophilia, to post sexually risque content so long as it doesn't stray into the realm of porn (e.g. threads asking about the best way to masturbate), and to make racially controversial and bigoted statements. Nothing I say to anyone here is something that they could not encounter elsewhere on this site. In fact, nothing I say to anyone here is something that they probably are not already familiar with. I understand you feel strongly about this, but I think you are overreacting.
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Come off it, YYW. You've said similar to people just as young.
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This site--like DDO--allows people to argue for pedophilia
This sums up bsh1's moderation mentality.

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Innocent til proven guilty
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So u come here to talk diss on bsh, but not read my fanfic

shame shame
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The fact that you've got a delusional moderator who is accusing people of things that are absolutely false, in response to him being called out for his rank indecency, is something I'm going to have to speak up on. 

As for your fan fic, I might read it... but it's not as high on the priority list as dealing with the current set of issues implicated by bsh1 right now. 

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Entertainment and comic relief and breaks are needed in order to succeed in a project

and Press is 16?
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I might read it later kid. I have more pressing issues to deal with at the moment. Like bsh and his flagrant disregard for morals. 
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I think it is clear to everyone, including you, that I was joking. You, of all people, should be familiar with my sense of humor. It is precisely because of reactions like this that I don't often make jokes on this site and why I come across as robotic. 
I am aware that you believe you were joking, but I happen to remember just a few years ago when you went after Wylted for his rape debate or some user on DDO (I, unfortunately, cannot find the thread at the moment) who was making jokes about a pedophilic bear. It is objectively not funny and not acceptable. A moderator should be a respectable member of the site and not someone who jokes with teenagers, MINORS, about bending over. I would 100% prefer a robot over a disgusting moderator who makes pedo comments. 

This site--like DDO--allows people to argue for pedophilia, to post sexually risque content so long as it doesn't stray into the realm of porn (e.g. threads asking about the best way to masturbate), and to make racially controversial and bigoted statements.

I want to be clear - are you saying that this website allows people to justify pedophilia? If so, I would like to discuss with DebateArt.com what the purpose of this website is and what his criteria for moderation include. Surely a moderator should have some accountability and moral code that does not include making sex jokes with children. 

As I said, grow the f*ck up, or resign and give the position to someone more morally capable and mature of handling moderation and not making innuendos with minors. 

Nothing I say to anyone here is something that they could not encounter elsewhere on this site. In fact, nothing I say to anyone here is something that they probably are not already familiar with. I understand you feel strongly about this, but I think you are overreacting.

Frankly, I do not believe I am overreacting for being disturbed by the way you speak to minors. Find someone legal to have these kinds of discussions with - I can't believe that I have to tell the moderator of a debate website that this isn't the place for this kind of behaviour.  
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The head mod can insinuate that he wants to rape a 16 year old, but Seventh is banned for not breaking a rule which no longer exists.
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Yup
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The head mod can insinuate that he wants to rape a 16 year old, but Seventh is banned for not breaking a rule which no longer exists.
To be precise, TheHammer was banned for not breaking a rule that no longer exists. In fact, he was banned for obviously trolling.


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10k achievement: Guys it's a joke... guys?


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PressF4Respect is 16?
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Regardless of intent, that kind of talk is not acceptable, but Bsh doubling down makes it worse. 

Bsh--you need to realize how serious this is. Do you have any relatives in High School? How would you feel if I told them to bend over?
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According to his declared birthday on the site, he is 16 at the moment.
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He is 17
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He is close enough his bday in like 2 days
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I'm 16, 11 months, and 364 days, and I dunno how many hours
to be exact
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He is 16 right now. And either way, an adult is 18. Brian is 24 and should know better. I thought he'd have grown up by now, but his insistence on defending himself instead of issuing an apology is incredibly off-putting. I DM'd him saying that if he apologized to the teenagers and the site for his behaviour, I would calm down. But either his ego or lack of values clearly has gotten in the way. 
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@bsh1
An anonymous member of the site PM'd be with this information:

"DDO does not have a "rape-friendly culture;" DDO has a "free speech-friendly culture."" - Bsh1

Bsh on Wylted's right to free speech on a rape debate

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The title of this thread turned out to be remarkably prescient.
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@Annie_ESocialBookworm
I am going to respond to your post, and to the various other comments relevant here, and then I will withdraw from the thread. I am not going to engage in a prolonged debate about this, because I think the reactions here are going overboard.

I happen to remember just a few years ago when you went after Wylted for his rape debate
Correct. I did that because I, like you, believe that actual rape is vile and immoral. I do not believe we should be defending or applauding actual cases of rape. But what I said was not an intimation of rape. It was a BDSM joke. As you know, BDSM can be perfectly consensual. Unlike making light of rape, making light of BDSM is not intrinsically wrong. At no point in this thread did I talk or joke about raping anyone, nor did I endorse or make light of rape. As we all know, BDSM =/= rape.

A moderator should be a respectable member of the site and not someone who jokes with teenagers, MINORSabout bending over.
I already addressed this. This site--like DDO--allows people to argue for pedophilia, to post sexually risque content so long as it doesn't stray into the realm of porn (e.g. threads asking about the best way to masturbate), and to make racially controversial and bigoted statements. Nothing I say to anyone here is something that they could not encounter elsewhere on this site. In fact, nothing I say to anyone here is something that they probably are not already familiar with. I understand you feel strongly about this, but I think you are overreacting.

The bottom line: A 16 year old does not need to be sheltered. They are already exposed to so many of these things, not just in the world, but also on this very site. I mean, I played Cards Against Humanity the other day with a friend and her brother--who is 17--and he had a dirtier mind than I did.  Maybe if Press were 13, you would have a legitimate point; but he's not, and I would not knowingly say what I said to a 13 year old. 16 year olds are not little children, Annie. I am not going to treat 16 year olds like they're 5 year olds.

I want to be clear - are you saying that this website allows people to justify pedophilia? 
Again, just like on DDO, yes. There are free speech concerns at stake that people like Resurget advocated for loudly during the initial months and weeks of moderation. Even Wylted's rape debates would be allowed--utterly devoid of taste and morality though they are--because there is no point to a debate site that does not allow people to argue in favor of controversial views. While I agree with you that such debates are vulgar in every respect, I cannot begrudge people the right to voice such views without becoming a censor of thoughts, ideas, and opinions. My job is to keep debate civil. In that respect, I largely moderate how you say what you say and not what it is that you are saying. Obviously there are limits--you can't post porn, for example, and if any user feels harassed, they have every right to demand that interaction stop. But those conditions don't apply here.

I understand your objection. And I understand why you are objecting. But I think your approaching this from a moral perspective that is far more prudish than my own. Let's not pretend that you are the final arbiter of morality here.


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It is for the FanFic that no one is reading but for the thread people are responding too
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@bsh1
I played Cards Against Humanity the other day with a friend and her brother--who is 17--and he had a dirtier mind than I did
I played yesterday and I won every game I played where I wasn't judge. No one scored more than one

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I'm 16, 11 months, and 364 days, and I dunno how many hours
So, you're basically 17?

If you felt that my remark to you was inappropriate or harassing, I encourage you to report it to Castin or Speed. They would have the purview to make decisions in this case.

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This is why, and I will explicitly say this again, I advocate for a NSFW area of the website that you have to agree you are over 18 to enter, at the very least. This legally will protect you against being sued later.
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RM does make a good point about this, and it would prevent people who are looking to take down moderation from bringing up arguments
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What a strong first case for Speed to take up on lol