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@drafterman
Well, are we going by intent or by actual results?
Does white or male privilege exist?
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@bmdrocks21
Assuming Affirmative Action (hypothetically speaking) was deemed by the next generation to be institutionally racist, would the solution be to punish minorities that benefitted or would the solution be eliminating the institutionally racist program and moving forward to a MLK type society where skin color is not a basis of merit?
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@drafterman
Because you said that it was systemically racist because it hurt minorities. I said that this frame of logic was false because it didn't just hurt minorities.
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@Greyparrot
I think we should get reparations.
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@drafterman
are a disproportionate number of people of a certain skin color poor? if crime is disproportionate then it would stand to reason poverty is as well since they are often related.
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@Greyparrot
;)
Get rid of the crap and stop whining about not getting ahead when you have the ability to do so.
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@bmdrocks21
Actual results.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Okay, so is the cause of that disproportion due to external or internal factors?
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@drafterman
By actual results, it hurts everyone of every race.
Groups that, as a whole do worse in school are underrepresented in colleges. They are then given preferential treatment based on race. They go to colleges they aren't prepared for. This hurts them.
Asians and whites have the best SAT scores and are "overrepresented" in colleges. They are given harsher treatment for admissions. This hurts them.
Nobody gains from this, everyone suffers. Since it doesn't target a specific racial group, it isn't racist based purely on the results.
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@bmdrocks21
It hurts all races equally?
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@bmdrocks21
Correct. as cited in the Brookings study, not having 2 parents present is a far, far better indicator of poverty and making poor choices that perpetuate poverty than skin color.
The breakup of minority families is closely related to bad government policies replacing the father as a provider and cultural pressures where the father is marginalized, and the mother is glorified.
Far more related than White Americans and Asian Americans somehow oppressing black families and forcing them to raise children in single households.
For the lucky few Blacks that are raised with 2 parents present, they are doing comparatively well, even better than their contemporaries in some fields. If skin color was a major impediment, the statistics surely don't show it among 2 parent Black families.
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@drafterman
That would be almost impossible to calculate.
Some minorities may actually benefit, while many others are hurt by it. It would be very subjective to say that an Asian going to a worse college has it worse than a Hispanic that is going to a really tough, yet prestigious college that they may fail at.
The only thing overtly racist about it is the fact that you look at someone's skin color when making the decision to let them in or not.
Intent: racist
Results: not racist
Nobody is directly hurt by intent, but people are hurt by results. The actual bill was built around racism, but they failed in targeting a specific race.
Get rid of bills with racist intent and everyone will be better off.
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@Greyparrot
Correct. as cited in the Brookings study, not having 2 parents present is a far, far better indicator of poverty and making poor choices that perpetuate poverty than skin color.The breakup of minority families is closely related to bad government policies replacing the father as a provider and cultural pressures where the father is marginalized, and the mother is glorified.
Yes, some of the biggest indicators of poverty are based on whether or not you finish high school, if you have kids before or within marriage, and if you work full time.
Well, black people have higher drop out rates, have kids out of wedlock, and have higher unemployment rates than other races and, oddly enough, higher poverty rates.
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@bmdrocks21
Well, black people have higher drop out rates, have kids out of wedlock, and have higher unemployment rates than other races and, oddly enough, higher poverty rates.
This is the unintended consequences of "give a fish" policies being implemented instead of "teach to fish"
Universities are NOT an adequate place to train young people in basic work ethic. The home is, however.
Listen to that Ethiopian girl talk in that Change My Mind video I linked. You will hear her explain in her own words how the policies harmed her.
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@drafterman
I don't think it's that simple really. It's a multifaceted problem. I seem to recall a study linking the family break down with the increase in poverty and crime.
I read somewhere that white liberals are most likely to think that it’s not ok to be white
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@ILikePie5
Lmao. You dog.
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@Alec
At a point in history, yes. Currently, no.
What seems to be the main argument for male privilege is that a women makes 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. Now, this isn’t entirely true. While men make more money in the same career choice than women, this isn’t because they have a higher salary; it’s because they generally put in more hours, and are less likely to take sick days.
So no, men are not payed more than women.